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| Quote: NickyKiss "Leeds should get Brian Noble in. He'd make them competative and take them to the business end of the cup and the play offs which i'm not sure McDermott will be able to.'"
There's no way Kevin Sinfield is going to let that happen.
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| Quote: Wigan/Leeds Andy "There's no way Kevin Sinfield is going to let that happen.'"
Not friends?
I know who i'd rather have in Leeds situation.
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| How is McDermott still at leeds? he has done an awful job.
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| "I want to be able to come away from Wigan and say we had a real good crack there" - seems like he's resigned himself to losing.
Not that I can blame the guy, like. We are WIGAN.
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| I always liked McDermott. He was one British coach who never sought to blame others for his team's failings, and never came over as churlish or resentful. I'm not enjoying watching his troubles at Leeds, though I couldn't give two hoots about Leeds themselves.
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| For me he's got the hardest job in SL.
He's got a team of ageing former champs. 3 years ago you couldn't touch guys like Peacock, Senior or Webb and now simply age had caught up with them. Also key guys like Burrow and Maguire have had some serious injury problems which doesn't help.
You start to look at quality players like Maguire, Burrow, Webb, Senior, Peacock and others comming into the side then getting injured and then comming back and you realise how difficult it is.
He's in a no win situation. If he does well with the squat he's got and get says 4th place then he's still gonna get shot down as the fans expect them to be champs.
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| Quote: thepriestman85 "For me he's got the hardest job in SL.
He's got a team of ageing former champs. 3 years ago you couldn't touch guys like Peacock, Senior or Webb and now simply age had caught up with them. Also key guys like Burrow and Maguire have had some serious injury problems which doesn't help.
You start to look at quality players like Maguire, Burrow, Webb, Senior, Peacock and others comming into the side then getting injured and then comming back and you realise how difficult it is.
He's in a no win situation. If he does well with the squat he's got and get says 4th place then he's still gonna get shot down as the fans expect them to be champs.'"
I disagree to some extent because i think that Leeds have had enough quality in the side this season to be in a much better position than they are and tactically they have got things wrong.
I remember watching Leeds in the earlier rounds and watching in amazement as players were off-loading and forcing the pass in ridiculous situations - they have been throwing games away and have continued down this path to the point when i have been certain that BM would go - yet still he remains in the job.
Didnt BM state that Leeds would play a more exciting style of rugby this season under his guidance? im not quite sure that this is what he had in mind.
Leeds have been very poor this season.
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| It can't help that his assistant is jimmy lowes. Two bitter yorkshire gits. The fact he claimed he jumped up and down after getting the job proves how shocked he was. What a goon. English coaches are shocking, its so bad you could argue Nobby is the best around, and i wouldn't have him back at Wigan in a million years. Agar, Steve Mac, Lowes, Harrison, Kear are so far behind the aussie coaches its unreal. Lets hope we are not adding Wane to the list next season
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| He looks like someone pretending to handle the pressure well. I don't think he can.
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| Leeds are finally getting what they deserve
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| Quote: thepriestman85 "For me he's got the hardest job in SL.
He's got a team of ageing former champs. 3 years ago you couldn't touch guys like Peacock, Senior or Webb and now simply age had caught up with them. Also key guys like Burrow and Maguire have had some serious injury problems which doesn't help.
You start to look at quality players like Maguire, Burrow, Webb, Senior, Peacock and others comming into the side then getting injured and then comming back and you realise how difficult it is.
He's in a no win situation. If he does well with the squat he's got and get says 4th place then he's still gonna get shot down as the fans expect them to be champs.'"
No they don't. Not the fans who've been around for the two decades of winning the occasional Yorkshire Cup anyway.
But after Leeds lose to Wigan and Catalans over the next two weeks, we'll be EIGHTH. Not fourth, eighth. And the squad, though aging, is nowhere near that mediocre. On paper, I'd say it's a little bit behind Wigan and Wire, but not that far behind that a good coach wouldn't have them competitive and expecting to win games, rather than saying, as he did in that interview, "If Wigan play well, the result takes care of itself". Even if true, what about formulating gameplans to *stop* superior opposition playing well? The guy is completely out of his depth.
If Leeds, or Wigan for that matter, are as low down as 8th position at ANY point, even in the salary cap era, it's sure that there's something seriously wrong with the coaching at the club.
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| Quote: craigizzard "No they don't. Not the fans who've been around for the two decades of winning the occasional Yorkshire Cup anyway.
But after Leeds lose to Wigan and Catalans over the next two weeks, we'll be EIGHTH. Not fourth, eighth. And the squad, though aging, is nowhere near that mediocre. On paper, I'd say it's a little bit behind Wigan and Wire, but not that far behind that a good coach wouldn't have them competitive and expecting to win games, rather than saying, as he did in that interview, "If Wigan play well, the result takes care of itself". Even if true, what about formulating gameplans to *stop* superior opposition playing well? The guy is completely out of his depth.
If Leeds, or Wigan for that matter, are as low down as 8th position at ANY point, even in the salary cap era, it's sure that there's something seriously wrong with the coaching at the club.'"
Any team spending to the full cap hanging around that low in the table must have something wrong.
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| Quote: Broxy Music "It can't help that his assistant is jimmy lowes. Two bitter yorkshire gits. The fact he claimed he jumped up and down after getting the job proves how shocked he was. What a goon. English coaches are shocking, its so bad you could argue Nobby is the best around, and i wouldn't have him back at Wigan in a million years. Agar, Steve Mac, Lowes, Harrison, Kear are so far behind the aussie coaches its unreal. Lets hope we are not adding Wane to the list next season
Very well put.
The standard of British coaching at pro level is terrible across the board. Noble is easily the best, and even he couldn't get a job in Australia.
I'd go as far as to say that, while the likes of Murphy, Fox, Laughton and Karalius were technically poor as coaches, they were probably much better leaders than men like Agar, McNamara and Kear, none of whom seem to have any kind of aura about them.
The whole attitude of guys like Agar and Kear is wrong, before you even start to consider their technical and motivational abilities. Instead of being content to blame others all the time, they should be analysing every aspect of their own teams, and trying to maximise their efficiency. It isn't exclusively a British thing - Dorahy was famously dire, and the likes of Potter and Matterson are every bit as bad as their British counterparts, but that's probably why they're coaching over here and not Down Under.
Michael Maguire should be the benchmark for a modern coach - taking a thoroughly professional attitude, leaving absolutely nothing to chance, making man-management as important as fitness and conditioning, etc. Yet, this benchmark was set in the past by the likes of Lowe and Monie, and a few years later we suddenly had Eric Hughes in charge, a man who could give even the Yorkshire coaches a lesson in bitterness.
The British game's ultimate downfall will be that it never seems to learn from its mistakes.
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| Quote: Cruncher "Very well put.
The standard of British coaching at pro level is terrible across the board. Noble is easily the best, and even he couldn't get a job in Australia.
I'd go as far as to say that, while the likes of Murphy, Fox, Laughton and Karalius were technically poor as coaches, they were probably much better leaders than men like Agar, McNamara and Kear, none of whom seem to have any kind of aura about them.
The whole attitude of guys like Agar and Kear is wrong, before you even start to consider their technical and motivational abilities. Instead of being content to blame others all the time, they should be analysing every aspect of their own teams, and trying to maximise their efficiency. It isn't exclusively a British thing - Dorahy was famously dire, and the likes of Potter and Matterson are every bit as bad as their British counterparts, but that's probably why they're coaching over here and not Down Under.
Michael Maguire should be the benchmark for a modern coach - taking a thoroughly professional attitude, leaving absolutely nothing to chance, making man-management as important as fitness and conditioning, etc. Yet, this benchmark was set in the past by the likes of Lowe and Monie, and a few years later we had Eric Hughes in charge.
The British game's ultimate downfall will be that it never seems to learn from its mistakes.'"
I think Potter actually did a fantastic job at Catalans, nobody can really deny that. He was superb at saints as well IMO, he had a team in slight decline but still managed to keep up final appearances. He is a simply awful team at Bradford but they are still pushing for the play-offs.
Matterson can't spend to the cap at Cas and has to put up with playing loads of young players along with average poop like Mathers but he has them playing some entertaining stuff through Chase and Orr and they sit 7th in the table above a few teams with better squads and just 1 point below ex champions Leeds. Everyone says Catalans are having a great season, Cas are only 3 points behind.
I think Madge would be doing a better job than either of them but they are not in the same league as their 'British Counterparts' I think they are doing a decent job under the circumstances.
Finally, the part in red could not be more right. I would have offered Madge 5 years had he wanted to stay over here. The speed at which he turned our team around with just one extra signing from the drivel we watched under Britains most succesful coach says it all.
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