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Quote: SaintsFan "You won the penalty count by about five. What are you complaining about?'"



Penalty count was 9-8 to Wigan.

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I too think he had a good game. He let the game flow but gave penalties when they were needed. About as good as you get from SL refs at the moment.

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Quote: twosevenzero "Penalty count was 9-8 to Wigan.'"

According to the RL press today it was either 10-5 or 9-6, depending on which paper. Either way, you won the penalty count, so why the moaning?

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Can someone tell me the ref(s) for all our 4 games that we have lost this season.?

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Quote: TheSurgeon "Can someone tell me the ref(s) for all our 4 games that we have lost this season.?'"


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I think he ahd a fair game, but did miss a lot of things, whether deliberately to let the game flow, or just because he's Bentham.

Two late challenges were missed, on Leuluai & Tomkins, that were as bad as the one McIlorum was penalised for.

The decisive ones he didn't give were late in the game, though - we should have had any one of 3 penalties for offside in our last full set before the end, which would have given us the (deserved, IMO) draw.

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Quote: SaintsFan "According to the RL press today it was either 10-5 or 9-6, depending on which paper. Either way, you won the penalty count, so why the moaning?'"

It isn't about "winning" the penalty count, it's about getting the decisions right. Being awarded more penalties doesn't make me any more inclined to accept incorrect play the balls, constant off-sides, late tackles off the ball etc, especially in a game as close as that. Not to mention the foot out of play in goal - one of the most shocking decisions of the season.

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Quote: TheElectricGlidingWarrior "It isn't about "winning" the penalty count, it's about getting the decisions right. '"

Like I said, I don't know why you are complaining. Bentham, like most SL refs, is a mixed bag and I didn't see any wrong or right decisions go in any one way in particular. It was a mixed bag for both sides.

The feet in touch thing - wasn't that down to a touch judge's blindness rather than the ref's?

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Quote: SaintsFan "Like I said, I don't know why you are complaining.'"

Well, I [idid [/ijust explain it. icon_lol.gif

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What is of more concern is the ridiculous ruling where referees are allowed to officiate at their hometown's club. Saw the highlights of Warrington v Bradford earlier and a couple of the Warrington tries were possible obstructions - the first went to the video ref and was awarded by Bentham. There's mention of this on the Bradford site.
Ganson's awarding the St. Helens try against Salford was also very questionable to say the least - hiding behind the "benefit of the doubt". I do not want Wigan v Saints games to be reffed by either of these two - in the important games ( last year's Playoff SF the crucial 50/50 decision ( Sean Long dragging Joel into touch when the tackle was complete) of course went against Wigan.

Do people remember that Ganson was referee in the 2 Challenge Cup defeats ( Catalans and Warrington) and the 2 play off defeats against Leeds as well as the Saints play off game?!! Am I becoming paranoid...?!!

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Thought he had a good game. We didn't lose because of him put it that way

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Quote: Fames "What is of more concern is the ridiculous ruling where referees are allowed to officiate at their hometown's club. Saw the highlights of Warrington v Bradford earlier and a couple of the Warrington tries were possible obstructions - the first went to the video ref and was awarded by Bentham. There's mention of this on the Bradford site.
Ganson's awarding the St. Helens try against Salford was also very questionable to say the least - hiding behind the "benefit of the doubt". I do not want Wigan v Saints games to be reffed by either of these two - in the important games ( last year's Playoff SF the crucial 50/50 decision ( Sean Long dragging Joel into touch when the tackle was complete) of course went against Wigan.

Do people remember that Ganson was referee in the 2 Challenge Cup defeats ( Catalans and Warrington) and the 2 play off defeats against Leeds as well as the Saints play off game?!! Am I becoming paranoid...?!!'"
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