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| Quote: Father Ted "Hock and Smith are out of the club now and their salaries are available to bring in players.
We had better be careful who we release as IL's record on signings ain't that great. Gleeson being the first real quality player he's brought in.
If Gleeson is the first of many then fine but with the overseas quota being cut for 2011 we will have to be careful who we keep and who departs.'"
Not signing any quality players would be bad. But signing the wrong players for the sake of it would be even worse.
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| Quote: MadDogg "Not signing any quality players would be bad. But signing the wrong players for the sake of it would be even worse.
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We should only sign players who can improve us significantly.'"
We seem to have been doing that for the last 5 years or so  .
Obviously with a few exceptions. |
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| Quote: MC.FINCHY "..If they was all out of contract at the end of the season, who would you actaully want to retain?'"
Ricards
Ainscough
Gleeson
S tomkins
Lockers
J Tomkins
Hansen
Feka
MM
Prescott
O'Carroll
That list does not include he likes of Mossop and his contemporaries as it is too early to judge.
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|  You wouldn't keep Leuluai or Carmont. |
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Carmont
Richards
Leuluai
Feka
O'Loughlin
J Tomkins
McIlorum
Prescott
Gleeson
O'Carroll
Mossop
S Tomkins
Farrell
Ainscough
Rest of Academy Etc.
That way we could have a squad of:
New Fullback
Roberts
Gleeson
Carmont
Richards
New Stand Off
S Tomkins
New Prop
Leuluai
New Prop
Mossop
J Tomkins
O'Loughlin
Feka
McIlorum
Farrell
Prescott
And the rest...
Id be happy
 I dont think we're that far off it tbh, just a few good signings off being a very good team. |
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| Quote: RB "contracted for next season ) and the fact TL was out of contract at the end of this season, meant his wages ought to have been spent on that quality no 7 people want.
We need a better 7 and we don't need three hookers so giving him a new deal was IMO just another poor bit of business of the kind people are complaining about in this thread.
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| Quote: DaveO "Carmont looks like age is finally catching up with him and TL is over rated. He is not a particularly good 7 and most people seem to agree saying we need a quality half back to play alongside Sam.
I am also not convinced the fashion for suggesting he is really a 9 is anything other than people trying to find a place in the side for an undoubtedly enthusiastic but ultimately not quite good enough player.
Given the contractual situation of other players such as Riddell and MM (i.e. they are both contracted for next season ) and the fact TL was out of contract at the end of this season, meant his wages ought to have been spent on that quality no 7 people want.
We need a better 7 and we don't need three hookers so giving him a new deal was IMO just another poor bit of business of the kind people are complaining about in this thread.
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I think Leuluai's a great player! Surely you would find a place for him in the team. Carmont's getting older of course but he's still playing well enough for another year IMO, in fact I'd say he's been our form back this season closely followed by Phelps. |
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| Quote: DaveO "Carmont looks like age is finally catching up with him and TL is over rated. He is not a particularly good 7 and most people seem to agree saying we need a quality half back to play alongside Sam.
I am also not convinced the fashion for suggesting he is really a 9 is anything other than people trying to find a place in the side for an undoubtedly enthusiastic but ultimately not quite good enough player.
Given the contractual situation of other players such as Riddell and MM (i.e. they are both contracted for next season ) and the fact TL was out of contract at the end of this season, meant his wages ought to have been spent on that quality no 7 people want.
We need a better 7 and we don't need three hookers so giving him a new deal was IMO just another poor bit of business of the kind people are complaining about in this thread.
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We will get injuries at some point next season so the fact he can play 6,7 and 9 is a great asset to our team, and he will always do a pretty good job and even a class job as he did last friday.
Surely next season it will create competition for places which can only be a good thing.
I love Leuluai as a player as he puts his all in and it's great to see and I think he loves playing for Wigan. If you ask most United fans about their favourite players and alot will say Park and Tevez because they work so hard and are both decent players.
It also gives us options to change things for certain games if we need to or even during a game. |
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| Quote: Grimmy "I think Leuluai's a great player! Surely you would find a place for him in the team. Carmont's getting older of course but he's still playing well enough for another year IMO, in fact I'd say he's been our form back this season closely followed by Phelps.'"
The post of mine you replied to was based on a cold hard look at the facts in terms of who was out of contract, who wasn't and what the needs of the team are supposed to be.
If people say we need a new 7 that means TL isn't good enough as a 7. Yes?
If we have two hookers contracted for next year, which we do, why do we want to use salary cap money on a third?
It is academic of course because we have signed him up but the question is, is IL making the tough (and yes controversial) decisions needed to improve the side?
You mention Phelps well that is another tough one for IL because he is also a fans favorite but he is also a none federation trained player and a quota player so if IL wants to recruit two overseas players then he has got to go.
Tough job being a chairman!
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| Quote: odemwingie "We will get injuries at some point next season so the fact he can play 6,7 and 9 is a great asset to our team, and he will always do a pretty good job and even a class job as he did last friday.'"
But if we recruit a 7 and given we have Riddell and MM where does he play? Or where do they play? With a salary cap I don't see how we can afford a player of his experience as a utility player.
So I suspect we won't be recruiting a 7.
Quote: odemwingie "Surely next season it will create competition for places which can only be a good thing.
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Unfortunately with a first team squad of 25 (that is what is funded by the salary cap) competition for places doesn't exist across the team. I know what you are saying regarding his utility value but having kept him on, the question is can we make the improvements necessary given who else is out of contract (Hock doesn't count as to replace him would cost as much if not more than his wages)?
Quote: odemwingie "I love Leuluai as a player as he puts his all in and it's great to see and I think he loves playing for Wigan. If you ask most United fans about their favourite players and alot will say Park and Tevez because they work so hard and are both decent players.'"
The don't have a salary cap to consider. TL does put 110% in (as does Phelps). Is that ultimately good enough?
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| Quote: MC.FINCHY "..If they was all out of contract at the end of the season, who would you actaully want to retain?'"
Great Question!
Sean O'Loughlin, Sam Tomkins, Paul Prescott and Thomas Leuleui. |
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| Quote: odemwingie "
oldest being Carmont who is 30 being our very oldest player and in contrast we have had 13 players play in our team out of our academy this season and last.'"
I'm not picking holes or being pedantic, but me and my cousin found that Coley was the oldest in the squad at 31, according to the website!
I was a lot suprised, even went and got the calculator to triple check my maths! |
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| Quote: Batesy "I'm not picking holes or being pedantic, but me and my cousin found that Coley was the oldest in the squad at 31, according to the website!
I was a lot suprised, even went and got the calculator to triple check my maths!'"
I had missed that one, I only did it off the top of my head so  |
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I would get rid of
Smith
Phelps
Coley
Fielden
Bailey
I would keep the rest. I was unsure of Riddell but he is the best starting hooker at the club at the moment and if we get him fit I think he could come good.
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I would keep.
Richards
Gleeson
Carmont
Ainscough
Tomkins
Tommy
Feka
Mossop
J.Tomkins
O'loughin
Flanagan
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