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Quote: odemwingie "I think Riddell deserves a place more than Smith does.'"


That's called "damning with faint praise", isn't it?

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Quote: jinkin jimmy "It's all about opinions and 1 day, who knows, you may be right.
By what measure did Roberts not perform against Quins? It just seems to me like criticism for the sake of him being an Australian. He didn't get the good ball that Ainscough was given. Ainscough was given 3 opportunities and took them all brilliantly no question. Roberts on the other hand was given none bar the chance of a small half-break through a Bailey offload in the first half. Aside from that nothing, but he saved two tries, ran the ball in strongly when it came his way and won the game for us with a great intercept. He's a proven performer and should be a cert to play on the wing next week for me.

On a seperate note, isn't it great how O'Carroll has made such an impact this year that he's a definite in everyone's 17 right now. A vast improvement so far on last year and much more potential to come.

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Quote: jinkin jimmy "So? At 60% he's fitter than both Riddell and Smith.'"


I'm not sure what your point is. Pryce doesn't play hooker or stand-off.

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Quote: MadDogg "By what measure did Roberts not perform against Quins? It just seems to me like criticism for the sake of him being an Australian. He didn't get the good ball that Ainscough was given. Ainscough was given 3 opportunities and took them all brilliantly no question. Roberts on the other hand was given none bar the chance of a small half-break through a Bailey offload in the first half. Aside from that nothing, but he saved two tries, ran the ball in strongly when it came his way and won the game for us with a great intercept. He's a proven performer and should be a cert to play on the wing next week for me.

On a seperate note, isn't it great how O'Carroll has made such an impact this year that he's a definite in everyone's 17 right now. A vast improvement so far on last year and much more potential to come.'"


I freely admit an element of my criticism is because he is an import. We have far too many of them! Also, I'm basing my opinion on his entire contribution this season, not just against Quins.

TBH the WC changed how I feel about not just Wigan but the game over here as a whole and I posted as much at the time. For me, Riddell, Phelps, Smith and Roberts can go home now.

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Quote: RB "I'm not sure what your point is. Pryce doesn't play hooker or stand-off.'"


Sorry. The point I'm making is that being unfit is patently not a problem in other positions or else Riddell for one would never gat a start.

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what would be the benefits of swapping oloughlin and j tompkins positions.people on this forum often say they would like to see them swap positions.why?

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Quote: jinkin jimmy "I freely admit an element of my criticism is because he is an import. We have far too many of them! Also, I'm basing my opinion on his entire contribution this season, not just against Quins.

TBH the WC changed how I feel about not just Wigan but the game over here as a whole and I posted as much at the time. For me, Riddell, Phelps, Smith and Roberts can go home now.'"


Well firstly surely you have to base an assessment on whether a player should play next week based on their last game, especially if they've played well which IMO Roberts did.

I empthasise with your opinion on overseas players but I do feel that the RFL are doing all they can to address the issue with the new restrictions coming in place over the next few years. I think 5 overseas in the 17 is a realistic figure that all clubs including Wigan should be aiming at. Smith, Phelps and Bailey will leave at the end of the year along with Mathers and Coley. You would hope that Wigan would be learning lessons now and alos taking into account what the fans want and not go too heavy on recruitment from overseas if possible - maybe 1 big name with any others domestic signings but it is difficult because of the availability or lack thereof of quality.

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Quote: injured "what would be the benefits of swapping oloughlin and j tompkins positions.people on this forum often say they would like to see them swap positions.why?'"


Probably because while O'Loughlin was injured for a few months last season, Tomkins filled in at Loose Forward and was probably our best player.

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Quote: Alex BP' "I'd have Riddell and Coley ahead of McIlorum and Prescott for now.

Mark Riddell will be a superb player once if he gets to speed and fitness with Super League. This won't be achieved by playing him in the reserves. Luckily for us, McIlorum has age on his side and will have plenty of opportunities should Riddell continue not to make progress.

When both fully fit, I'd easily have Prescott ahead of Coley but I'm not convinced that Prescott is fully fit yet. Give it a couple of weeks for Prescott to regain fitness and he'd take Coley's place for me.'"



A 3% Paul Prescott is stil better than Andy Coley. Absolute garbage and one of the worst props weve had in a very long time

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Dropkick Murphy..we actually saw and heard a mass of bouncing and scarf and flag waving to Dale Cavese that drowned out anything we could muster.. It stopped us singing our own celebratory songs, it died out seconds later when we accepted we couldn't be heard over the Wigan lot Celebrations muted from us, job done from them. Most fans who slag them off are jealous their own club's support is nowhere near that good - sally cinnamon..Why not discuss Wigan? It's a rugby league message board. Wigan are the most famous brand in rugby league - Tre Cool..Saints fans are hopeless unless it's a cup final or grand final. Wigan fans are so much more loyal and passionate - the flying biscuit..Wires havent been massively succesful over the years, but I've spoke to Brian Bevan And he spoke to me and i wouldnt swap that for Wigans History, ever - Ande..on the TV i could only hear the Wigan fans with about 10 to go - Saint94..Every team is in your feckin shadow, we all know - FIOS:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_39110.jpg



Quote: jinkin jimmy "That's called "damning with faint praise", isn't it?'"


It is but its true, Im not saying he is playing well, but I would rather see Riddell on the team sheet than Smith atm.

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We need an interchange at 9 whether Riddell starts or McIlorum.
Thought Noble got it right with Piggy starting, replaced by Tommy and Sam T going to 7.
Go with the same team again.

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Quote: RB "Probably because while O'Loughlin was injured for a few months last season, Tomkins filled in at Loose Forward and was probably our best player.'"
.i just dont see the logic in swapping them.oloughlin is more of a ball playing loose than joel and joel is more of a running second row than oloughlin.i think both are suited to the position there already playing.there individual strengths compliment both there positions.

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Quote: Meyt N Prater Pie "A 3% Paul Prescott is stil better than Andy Coley. Absolute garbage and one of the worst props weve had in a very long time'"


icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif I agree!

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Dropkick Murphy..we actually saw and heard a mass of bouncing and scarf and flag waving to Dale Cavese that drowned out anything we could muster.. It stopped us singing our own celebratory songs, it died out seconds later when we accepted we couldn't be heard over the Wigan lot Celebrations muted from us, job done from them. Most fans who slag them off are jealous their own club's support is nowhere near that good - sally cinnamon..Why not discuss Wigan? It's a rugby league message board. Wigan are the most famous brand in rugby league - Tre Cool..Saints fans are hopeless unless it's a cup final or grand final. Wigan fans are so much more loyal and passionate - the flying biscuit..Wires havent been massively succesful over the years, but I've spoke to Brian Bevan And he spoke to me and i wouldnt swap that for Wigans History, ever - Ande..on the TV i could only hear the Wigan fans with about 10 to go - Saint94..Every team is in your feckin shadow, we all know - FIOS:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_39110.jpg



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Yeh, I would actually have Moran back to play prop instead of Coley, Moran just used to end up running at the line anyway and dropping to the floor just like Coley does.

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Quote: Meyt N Prater Pie "A 3% Paul Prescott is stil better than Andy Coley. Absolute garbage and one of the worst props weve had in a very long time'"


I agree. icon_lol.gif

But it's for Prescott's best intrests for him to come back only when fit.

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