I'd e annoyed if he wanted to go and with good reason. He signed a contract and should honour it. Simple as that.

And that is before you factor in the help he got off the club during his two year ban that probably went a long way to saving his career.



The reason we have kept pat Richards is because he has chosen to honour his contract.

Look at the difference between the two situations (if Hock asks to be released which it isn't clear he has done yet).

Wigan have no reason to sell Hock. In fact given it will weaken the side even further than it has been already you would think any inquiry for one of its best players would be met with a polite but firm refusal in exactly the same way Bradford knocked back Leeds inquiry for their centre this week.

The fact it clearly has not been met with a refusal given it's now reported on the BBC that discussions are on-going between Wigan and Parra calls into question just what on earth IL's is doing here. The report should be reading "Wigan refuse to sell Hock to Parra" not we are in discussions with them about selling him.

Me to. I am hoping he will be saying he's going nowhere.

There is supposed to be something in tonight's Post from IFL, which I would be grateful if someone could post details of on here.

Phil Wilkinson tweeted last night that Lenagan didn't exactly deny it when asked yesterday about it.

I think it's all in the transfer fee haggling now.

do the distance selling rules apply to buying season tickets?

just wondering if it's really worth bothering anymore

has somebody got any GOOD news? anyone? just one bit?

This I feel could be a tipping point for many fans with regards to ST renewals. They have tolerated the club letting players go to Union and players breaking contracts to go back home. However, if they let Hock go with 4 years left on his contract, that is a big message from the club. A message that they have lost all ambition. It is all very depressing.

just been told there are 3 clubs in for Hansen aswell as NZ Warriors!!!!

seems the slary cap uplift over there is working.

Renewed 4 season ticket's yesterday. With all this going on now wish i had not bothered. Feel really disheartened.

Not done mine yet but I'm always last minute.

I'm thinking of just picking and choosing next year tbh. Got a baby on the way and that excitement in the weekly rounds just isn't there. That's before I even consider what players have or will leave!

I worry for the game when me myself is saying that, I've hardly missed a game for 15 years home and away but there a really depressing vibe around the game at the moment. I find that sad because some things like the amount of youngsters being brought through by clubs now 'should' fill me with optimism!

If we can't keep them in the country or worse, the game, what's the point?

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OH FFS !!!!!

SOMEONE PULL THE BLASTED DRAWBRIDGE UP & PUT THE OIL ON TO BOIL

Interesting that the first person to mention this a good few weeks ago and who at the time was supported by a few other posters who seem to be on the money more often than not suggested that it was the club who wanted him out. In that instance I'd imagine moving him on to the NRL rather than a rival Super League club makes sense.

From what I heard, at the same time as the original post, then it isn't anything to do with his old habits but the Wigan camp was/is split and was/is not a happy camp. If things are like that then you have to get rid of the "bad egg".

interesting if thats the case paul.

Any happy clappers want to post telling us how things are all rosy at Wigan and the massive outflow of players will not be a loss to us?

Sadly it's entirely reasonable and predictable that Hock will go. The more I think about it the more I believe that the destiny of RL in this country is to become a semi-professional game. The standard of the players will be poor, the standard of the games will be poor, Sky will eventually lose interest and then it really will be game over.

We were kind of protected in the past through the self-imposed "Amateur" status of RU. The RL game in Aus/NZ was also less developed than it is now (plus the less mobile nature of the player base would have made playing in Aus a very rare option).

Now RU have woken up and smelled the coffee, and the game in Aus/NZ have got themselves organised, relatively cheap travel Down Under, players moving/living/playing there a far far less unusual occurance......


Add to this the position of chairmen who think the CC is good for the game (good for their wallets maybe, but the game?) and the future is almost certainly "not Orange" as the saying goes.....

They might not be quality for a few seasons, but they'll develop given chance. This idealistic desire for quality players across the park is not realistic, the standard of available players in SL is poor and we can no longer compete for imports. Like it or not the best way is to develop our own, we'll lose a few given the SC but will be better off than most. Given the number and profile of departures this off season it looks very much like a transition phase for a year or two. Why would Hock want to stick around while Green and Smith keep the halves warm until the next generation come through. Maybe it's time to give the likes of Hughes and Lloyd the opportunities and see how they go, we might be pleasantly surprised.