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Quote: Abe Frohman "Sean Long doesnt seem to have a problem when he gets booed.'"


The opposite was true with Sean Long. His bad behaviour was practically encourged by his home fans, because they adored him so much that they immediately forgave his every misdeed ... even the ones that were a huge embarrassment to his club.

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Quote: Cruncher "The opposite was true with Sean Long. His bad behaviour was practically encourged by his home fans, because they adored him so much that they immediately forgave his every misdeed.'"


I also don't emember Sean Long ever being booed by his own fans...or am I missing something?

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Quote: Phuzzy "I also don't emember Sean Long ever being booed by his own fans...or am I missing something?'"


In the midst of a game, I'm sure a "Boo" sounds the same from whichever mouth it eminates, surely?

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Quote: Phuzzy "I don't consider having your name "boo-ed" by your own fans when it's announced as insignificant, do you? Nor the same fans cheering when you get injured. If you do, then there is no further discussion worthy of having.

As for claiming that my saying 'you are wrong' as being "a bit silly" all I can say is this. I know literally hundreds (if not thousands) of performers. I don't know a single one for whom the reaction of their fans has no bearing. It really doesn't matter if your bandmates think you're the best thing since sliced bread if your own fans are booing you. If you think it shouldn't matter I can safely say once again "you are wrong". Of course you could argue that your own single opinion has more validity than my own real world experience, as well as that of all my collegues. I prefer to think their (and in this case my) opinions carry more weight.'"


You make it sound though like the entire audience is booing him they are not, it is a minority of idiots who should be regarded as just that.

My own personal experiences are to do with being a pro player and coach myself but i guess they hold no weight over you as a musician.

I agree were the entire fan base booing the lad then clearly there would be an effect just as there would be if your entire audience was booing a musical performance, but this is not the case, a minority of morons do it, 95% of the fan base does not and the booing is a real sign of ignorance.

As stated earlier how often do you see a player who has had a bad time highlight the fact the fans giving them grief has focussed them to prove them wrong, if you crumble under the pressure of a few ignorant fans giving you grief i say again you do not have a big club mentality and should not be playing at one of the biggest names in the game.

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Quote: Abe Frohman "In the midst of a game, I'm sure a "Boo" sounds the same from whichever mouth it eminates, surely?'"


But the knowledge of where that boo is coming from is equally self evident.

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Quote: jonh "You make it sound though like the entire audience is booing him they are not, it is a minority of idiots who should be regarded as just that.

My own personal experiences are to do with being a pro player and coach myself but i guess they hold no weight over you as a musician.

I agree were the entire fan base booing the lad then clearly there would be an effect just as there would be if your entire audience was booing a musical performance, but this is not the case, a minority of morons do it, 95% of the fan base does not and the booing is a real sign of ignorance.

As stated earlier how often do you see a player who has had a bad time highlight the fact the fans giving them grief has focussed them to prove them wrong, if you crumble under the pressure of a few ignorant fans giving you grief i say again you do not have a big club mentality and should not be playing at one of the biggest names in the game.'"


you are an idiot Sir Alex, I pay my money and if I feel like booing, I will, and if it upsets the poor overpaid prima donna then he is in the wrong profession. It does not make me ignorant merely passionate about the game I love and want to let my feeling be known.

and just because you think you are connected to the sport in some tenuous way does not make your opinion more worthy than anyone elses

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Quote: jonh "You make it sound though like the entire audience is booing him they are not, it is a minority of idiots who should be regarded as just that.

My own personal experiences are to do with being a pro player and coach myself but i guess they hold no weight over you as a musician.

I agree were the entire fan base booing the lad then clearly there would be an effect just as there would be if your entire audience was booing a musical performance, but this is not the case, a minority of morons do it, 95% of the fan base does not and the booing is a real sign of ignorance.

As stated earlier how often do you see a player who has had a bad time highlight the fact the fans giving them grief has focussed them to prove them wrong, if you crumble under the pressure of a few ignorant fans giving you grief i say again you do not have a big club mentality and should not be playing at one of the biggest names in the game.'"


Again if you think the treatment Mathers had was from a minority of morons, then you weren't at the same games as I attended. (all of them) The same goes for the Pryce incident.

As to your assertions of you being a pro player and coach. May I just point out that you had a go at me for pointing out this same fact in a recent debate. Just illustrating how easy it is to be a hypocrite and/or contradictory. icon_wink.gif (relating to comments about IL on another point in this thread)

But addressing this point. If you've played in front of an audience of thousands in your carreer, were jeered and it had no effect on you, then I will apologise for dismissing your opinion. If on the other hand, as I suspect, you haven't, then it makes your opinion no more valid.

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Quote: Phuzzy "Again if you think the treatment Mathers had was from a minority of morons, then you weren't at the same games as I attended. (all of them) The same goes for the Pryce incident.

As to your assertions of you being a pro player and coach. May I just point out that you had a go at me for pointing out this same fact in a recent debate. Just illustrating how easy it is to be a hypocrite and/or contradictory.
I never heard more than a minority of fans give either players OTT stick. Of course there were occasions when the players made an error and there were moans from the crowd but certainly not from the majority was there OTT abuse that was highlighted by IFL last night as a contributing factor to there failure at Wigan.

Lost me on the second paragraph.

Final paragraph relates to the temperament of the player if they are going to react to the scrutiny and have such frail confidence then they have a high anxiety trait something that top players do not have in there personality make up generally, and hence meaning that under the scrutiny of a top club such as Wigan is they were never going to succeed, regardless of the fans reaction to them, there are numerous examples of this in all sports where high trait anxiety players have move to major clubs and failed to meet the exception and returned to a less high profile club and continued with there career.

I have had my fair share of abuse as a player in my time mainly due to the fact i was not very good but it certainly did not affect my performance, if anything as stated earlier it gave me motivation to shut them up, not crumble at the thought of what they were saying.

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Quote: Phuzzy "I also don't emember Sean Long ever being booed by his own fans...or am I missing something?'"


As I say, he could do no wrong for them.

Betting on your own team to lose is an astonishing betrayal of your club. I don't know how I'd feel if one of our lot did that, but the Saints fans forgot it pretty quickly.

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Quote: Cruncher "As I say, he could do no wrong for them.

Betting on your own team to lose is an astonishing betrayal of your club. I don't know how I'd feel if one of our lot did that, but the Saints fans forgot it pretty quickly.'"


He did share the tip with half of St Helens from what I heard, so those that backed it will love him for sharing the knowledge. Those that didn't couldn't complain because they did have the chance to cash in.

I don't know any Saints speccies that were d one way or the other.

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Quote: Rubber Buccaneer "He did share the tip with half of St Helens from what I heard.'"


I think the PC phrase for tip is Waste Disposal Yard.

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Quote: Rubber Buccaneer "He did share the tip with half of St Helens from what I heard, so those that backed it will love him for sharing the knowledge. Those that didn't couldn't complain because they did have the chance to cash in.

I don't know any Saints speccies that were d one way or the other.'"


Although incredibly disappointed, I was more concerned that Gleeson did it [iand[/i played in the game.

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Mick Hogan mentioned Huddersfield and their season ticket prices, which they slashed by half. What % rise increase in crowds did he say they have achieved this season? I know it was incredibly low (less than 10%), and is this actually correct?

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Quote: MattyB "Mick Hogan mentioned Huddersfield and their season ticket prices, which they slashed by half. What % rise increase in crowds did he say they have achieved this season? I know it was incredibly low (less than 10%), and is this actually correct?'"


3%

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Quote: MattyB "Mick Hogan mentioned Huddersfield and their season ticket prices, which they slashed by half. What % rise increase in crowds did he say they have achieved this season? I know it was incredibly low (less than 10%), and is this actually correct?'"


Just been told on another thread by im assuming a huds fan that it was 100% increase, now not sure if he meant increase on last seasons ticket sales.

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