Give over, you are basically saying you can't be a good hooker without having ill discipline, which is . And to say anyone who "moans" about his discipline just doesn't understand is more .

I'd like to see you play with a busted knee......

He's not ill disciplined though, its a myth. How many yellows/reds has he had this year??? He's an aggressive player, he gets in his opposite numbers face and gets stuck in. I wouldn't swap him for any other hooker in SL personally.

Yes because that's what I said . Where did I say to be a good hooker you need to have ill discipline? How about read a post properly before replying.

Based purely on the last 2 seasons , Shaun Lunt by plenty .

In your opinion.

Micky has developed into a good all rounder at 9. With his age no doubt he'll still be improving before he's at his best.

Him as a captain is a different issue, more reflects on the lack of true leaders in our team minus Sam and Lockers.

The problem for me is not Micky but how we suffer when he leaves the pitch, personally I would have gone for a different approach to the interchange I'm not a fan of Logan.

Something like (if Sam and Lockers are to be wrapped in cotton wool)

Charnley (I will keep banging on about trying him as a fb, he's a massive talent, needs to be on the ball as much as poss)
Thornley Goulding Gelling Richards (Big strong backline)
Powell Smith
Taylor Micky Dudson
HH Faz
Flower
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Mossop (dropped to the bench, not impressed) Crosby Green (try him as a 9) Tuson

Flower to play in the Gallen 13 role, almost as a 3rd prop to help out the go forward from the pack. Interchange Micky for Green, then we have Green, Powell and Smith as the creation.
A very solid back line to strength up the defence.
Let Charnley attack on both sides of the pitch, he can score from anywhere given half a chance.

McIlorum is a far better player than Logan who I dont really think offers a great deal, certainly no more than numerous hookers knocking about Super League.

My only issue would be that he shouldnt ever be made captain, I think it affects his game and I dont think we really have a captain on the field when he is it as he cant communicate with refs etc. It is like we have no captain at all (if that makes sense).

Logan would benefit from a seasons loan somewhere. He has potential imo, just not fulfilling it at the mo.
We need a interchange hooker along with MM.
Who?
Theres a kid at Wire, about 3rd or 4th choice, and with Clarke linked with Wire, he might be available..go for him, hes also a Wiganer...Brad Dwyer.

I think you do need at least one or two players in your pack like that yes. A pack full of Liam Farrell type players would be no good (not criticising Faz here). There has to be an element of fear when the opposition are running the ball in and I think Micky Mac adds this for us. It is inevitable that from time to time a player of this type will cross the line and give a penalty away/get binned or sent off.

Warrington have Westwood and Morley, Leeds have Bailey and to some extent Peacock. Morley has made a career out of playing on the edge, despite discipline issues he has always been one of the first names on the team sheet for every coach he's played under.

I agree with you, especially the last bit!

Micky Mac is a tough character. I agree with what's been said about needing a fear factor, and it's a shame we don't have any other players (Eric is learning) who give us that. HH, Flower, Faz, Dudson, Crosby and Mossop just all seem too nice. I can imagine the opposition enjoying running at us because they know they won't get hurt.

Agree on your first point but disagree on your second.

McIlorum is one of those players that never goes missing. Other than McIlorum, who was the last decent hooker we brought through? Martin Dermott? Pretty poor for the best youth system is SL in my opinion.

And Hansen's worst games have come when he's been made captain. If he'd only been here for 3 years, captaincy wouldn't even be suggested for him. He's just definitely not a leader.

According to Rogues he's the best hooker in super league and should play for England before Roby.

I actually like MM, I like his rough side (to many pens tho) and like his work ethic but IMHO he's behind Roby, Houghton and Higham for a England spot.