Carefull what you say Rickey, you don't want to unleash a Shitnami

Mike Forshaw = sacked

Partly, but if you were a good conditioner and players didn't keep themselves fit would you [as a member of the coachin staff] still allow them to play in the first team?

Surely as a conditioner if a player isn't doing the required work they should liase with the head coach and surely act accordingly?

the condition of our entire team has been questionable this season.......they just dont appear to have the strength to last the full 80 mins......feka looks shattered after 10 mins on the pitch ...i blame the conditioner ,the player and the coaching staff cos they should all work hard at ensuring ALL the players are at their peak fitness

I love the way a player has a really bad game and it suddenly makes his previous decent performances disapear on here. Feka has been our once source of go forward in our pack in many matches in the past few years, at which point people would complain about Coley or Fielden. He came on at the worst possible time for an impact player - just as the momentum had turned entirely in the opposition's favour. They ran as many players as they could at him and then used the Quick PTB to destroy him around the ruck, which tired him out due to his poor fitness. However, the other players were not at fault either, for example Gleeson, Fielden and Joel all had poor defensive games as well. However I appreciate what Feka has done for our squad, and we would be crazy to let him go, even if his is a so called "luxury".




Of course , I forgot Roberts is supposed to mark his opposition centre as well as winger with no help from other players! Wigan offered zero shielding for Roberts, something they will probably have been blasted by Noble for, as this is second nature to all other teams. But never mind that, were was Roberts when Hicks broke through on the other side or when Cooper went between the posts, his is useless and we should get rid if he isn't tackling every player, nothing to do with dear Gleeson.

I said earlier on he played the same game on Saturday as he did the week before at Saints but unlike Saints, Warrington managed to exploit the holes he left time and again in defence.

It's cme to something when Fielden isn't our most underpreforming prop forward.

i know it is unlikely we will be getting an enforcer type prop from aus next season, but after the debacle of the weekend with fielden and feka, i would be more than satisfied if we got griffin and someone else of similar stature from super league next season, both griffin and mason looked a cut above fielden and feka, who would have ever thought that. if we cant get an enforcer then at least get 2 grafters in to go with coley,prescott and mossop,otherwise we will be in the same boat again next season. it really is coming back to haunt us now signing a winger for 4 years which we didn't really need, the money for roberts could have been put to better use. some riduculous decisions seem to have been made at this club over the last couple of years regarding signings.

Get feka some liposuction and pump a bit into Fielden. We'd have two reasonable sized props then

One of the most experienced players in Super League is of the opinion that the only reason why Wigan aren't challenging Leeds/Stains is "because their props don't work hard enough, simple as that".

Based on those statistics I can see what he means.

What to do with Fielden is becoming a major issue. I don't like badmouthing individual players, but he has failed to deliver for 95% of the time he's been at the club, yet it's been well documented that he's taking a very large wage. Whatever the problem is, it's clearly insurmountable - either for club or player, because I can't believe that Stuart himself is happy with his performances at Wigan and he'd surely be trying to put it right if he could. In which case, all we can do is wait until his contract expires and then say goodbye.

What to do with Feka is less complicted. He should be told that he either gets fit very quickly, or that he gets sacked for being in breach of his contract. That's how I'd now play it. I doubt he's still paid as much as when Maurice first signed him, but however much it is, it's too much given that he's supposed to be a professional athlete and yet is unable or unwilling to get himself into athletic condition. I'd also tell whoever's in charge of conditioning Feka that his own employment at Wigan is now dependent on the next month or so.

That is our prop problem in a nutshell, for me. Coley and Prescott I'm more than happy with. O'Carroll too was doing well until he got injured. But it's the two big-earners who are really letting the side down.

Fielden need to be told his future isn't at Wigan and that he can find another club. If that doesn't work we put him on the transfer list for his true value - i.e. £0.

Granted there will be salary cap issues as he's unlikely to get what we are paying him elsewhere, but even if we have to continue paying a proportion of his current salary next season, I'm sure we can get a better contribution to the team with what we save.

Fielden or Feka are going nowhere until their contracts finish end of 2010.
Wigan RL have to deal with it.
Monaghan was MOM by a mile. He killed us down the middle. King scored three and wasn't fit. His running was so restricted you could see it in the warm up. The risk of playing Bailey & Lockers (with hindsight) didn't come off.
When Ainscough was on our left wing at the HJ King played on their right.
Richards was on our left so they played King on their left facing Roberts.
When Bailey went off our right side defence was Roberts, Gleeson, Flanagan & Sam T. King skittled through Sam & Flanagan. Had Mossop been the replacement for Bailey then I'm not sure King was have had it as easy.
Fielden and Feka were very poor but we let Monaghan run riot. He should have been picked up and that should have been sorted by the coaches who should have got the message out. Monaghan has been playing very well from 9 for a few weeks, wasn't that dealt with in the coaching sessions.
Surely IL can't still think we can go next year as we are now after that shambles. He simply has to make the signings needed to improve the squad.
We still need a minimum of one prop if not two.