I have to agree.

ST didn't look out of place. He does not need "protecting and nurturing".

He was the beter performing 6 and should retain his place.

That said, Riddell didn't do enough to merit a starting position. TL to 9 and Smith to 7.

spot on mate even tho tim has let us down upto now , he can play he did nt win Rookie of the Year award after leading the NRL in try assists for nothing yes we all want sam to play but there s nothing wrong doing what we did last week there is no need to burn sam out before we ve even started i d go with same team less coley i could same a couple of more but that would nt happen lets hope these ozzy s gel soon an get better in the better weather i live in the heart of st.helens unlucky for me lol all my freinds an family are stains fans its like me against the world an they all tell me jamie lyon was rubbish for most of the season b4 he started being a super star

Bit harsh on Pryce there, only seen highlights but he seemed to go ok against Cas.

no he was poor v cas didnt look fully fit thou

Are you joking?

I'd put - Mathers, Fielden, Coley, Phelps, Bailey WAY ahead of him.

Shaun Edwards was 17 in his first season with Wigan and made 30 appearances, only 6 of which were from the bench. Anyone think he suffered from being thrust into the limelight too soon?

There are many other examples. A certain Mr Murphy was a St Helens regular at 18, playing 38 games that season. Murphy, and Roger Millward later on, were 18 when they were picked for GB. Edwards and Millward both captained their teams at 21.

It's a question of ability and maturity, not age, surely?

Where does this 'give him time to develop' bleat come from in the case of Sam Tomkins? It is being parroted by all and sundry on here and by some within the club. Sam will be 20 in a couple of weeks and has been at Wigan for several seasons already.

Was it Phil Clarke in commentary on Saturday who replied to a suggestion that Tomkins was inexperienced by saying he had probably been playing the game since he was four...?

Sounds good to me.

If in a few matches time ST is looking like he needs a rest, rest him then if necessary but BN has to get away from this policy of not playing the young lads.

If you're good enough, you're old enough. That used to be the Wigan way, with the likes of Faz, Edwards, Jason Robinson, Radders etc debuting at ridiculously young ages compared with the recent (and much inferior) squad, but is yet another part of what made Wigan great that seems to have been lost in recent years.

Mathers and Phelps only played 1 game. Coley I would agree with though.

And they were shocking!!!!

Maybe he is injured - I remember Gene Miles being a big disappointment at first but when he regained his fitness he was absolutely incredible, so you never know, but Smith's been with us for a while now and it isn't looking good for him...

Smith is quality, you can see that, but is taking a little while to get into it. Defence is ropey that's for sure! Smith, Tommy, Piggy and Lockers have played 3-4 times together so it'll take a while to (hopefully) see the benefits.

very harsh on pryce he did look good in spells again st cas very strong running with the ball alls thats up with pryce is match fitness,



as for smith i ve just took this of the net =

In 2005, he won the prestigious Dally M Rookie of the Year award after leading the NRL in try assists. He also received much acclaim from Parramatta legend Peter Sterling, who "handed over" the Eels #7 jersey in an episode of The NRL Footy Show in the middle of 2005. Tim has been touted as the most naturally skilled halfback in the NRL with the ability to land precsion kicks and passes with incredible accuracy. With 40 try assists in his debut season Smith entered the NRL scene with a bang, he was labeled as the next 'Joey' and 'Sterlo'.