I'll say one thing about Isa he's not as bad as Asiata

So nothing specific then, just stuff your players do too. Is Percival a grub for his shoulder to the head this week? What about Knowles and his many bans? Same for Matautia and Sironen? Lees? No? Thought not...

Mate, he's not as bad as most of your forwards. I get you're a Saints fan so everything Wigan is worse than anything Saints but take a break hey?

Agrree about Ma'utia right penalty machine him

Gary Wheeler gets hurt getting in bed though tbf

And one of Isa's from last year was about as perfect a tackle that a player could make. Got low down into the midrift, lifted and drove the player backwards, to fractionally let go as the tackled player hit the ground, penalty and subsequent ban

the other 4 were probably in that 1 game v Saints where the blinkered fans, seem to have him down as a dirty player. Yes, he lost it cos he wasnt playing well (nor were the Wigan team) and he got rattled, but seemingly that one game defines a player as a grub if you are one of the blinkered ones from St Helens, but they wont have it back when you mention any current or former Saints players who were

Cooper says it only took a year to recover from that the grub that plays for Saints did to him.

As pointed out another grubby tackle from a grub

Just admit it some of your players are dirty grubs that have been banned/penalised more than the Wigan players.

It's ok if you can't admit it we have facts to look at.

Knowles is on a par with our very own Terry Newton for cheap shots. How he doesn't carry the repuation for it is astonishing.

No he’s not, from a rugby perspective Terry was on another planet.

Yep, at least Newton could back it up with the caveat of actually being a good player. Now Saints' powers are on the wane, the players they have been carrying who should be taking the next generation forward are coming to the fore. Knowles is one of them. Bog standard. To think some people thought he was better than Smithies
And not even close to Ellis, he will never be that level.

I see there must be a derby coming up, the perspective has vanished and the nonsense has arrived.

I’m under no illusion that this isnt happening on the other side of the hill with you men.

As it should be