^Yet another completely moronic post.

And how is that going to help the British game? We need to bring through the kids for the sake of England not some overpriced Aussies who are on the way out of the NRL?

How are smaller clubs going to grow and get the big crowds without success? They will never achieve success when you have an uneven league dominated by the rich clubs, stop viewing things through Cherry n White coloured specs thinking about the 80/90ss glory days which was imo the worst period for RL in England, fans will not watch predictable games they will just get bored and convert to the more competitive Union code as a lot of people have done already.

Touche!!!!!!

This man speaks the truth, and that is why it hurts so much.

By playing in a quality side with quality players will improve the young english players ten fold rather than playing in a watered down average side.

I do not know anyone who has started watching union to league as it is pants, the way it is run is really good in union but the end product is toss.

You say 'How are clubs going to grow and get the big crowds without success? Why shoud they? If you have a small buisness and are tendering for big contracts they don't give them to you just to even it out a bit, they give it to the best firm for the job. The ones who have earned the right through reputation, well run and good end product rather than give it to a firm who hasn't really done much big jobs and want to do it, hard work should be rewarded.

Like many other idiots from small clubs you are getting the wrong end of the stick, I am not saying we want to win every game 100-nil and win the grand final 10 years running, which would be nice of course, I am saying we have the resources, fans, stadia and history to help the game progress, same goes for Leeds, Saints, Hull FC, Hull KR and Warrington.

You wouldn't get the Premier League saying, right, Man Utd are the most successful club but we want Stoke to be able to go to Old Trafford and turn them over, not being able to guess who is going to win etc no. Man United are rewarded for their success on and off the field throughout their history to be the most successfull side going with the most resources to spend on players. Players like Fletcher, O'Shea, Brown wouldn't be anything special if they were at another club but because they are surrounded by quality they improve as players and the game itself improves.

Its all well and good saints fans coming on saying how well they have managed the cap and how crap we have but its common knowledge that McManus etc pay the overseas players in overseas bank accounts so don't come out with that.

Evidence for this?

Second, why have Wigan not been doing this?

There is no evidence other than 'he said, she said, etc.'. Apparently we didn't do it because of something to do with Whelan and his companies???

This thread is about the mediocre standard of the SDL [igenerally[/i not Wigan. Dearie me

I have read most of this thread and have to say that i agree with the general opinion. The league is full of average teams with very similar gameplans and playing dull rugby. Ive watched Wigan lose a lot of games we could of won, but if we had of won a few of them my opinion would not change. I have not watched any team and thought WOW these are amazing and way out of our league, weve just been edged out by teams who have been a bit more composed or made a couple less errors.

The salary cap cant stay the way it is, imo its killing the game. There should be tighter restrictions on the number of overseas players, but if you develop your own players then there should be exceptions made. Its simple logic, there should be reward for good work done by your club. If this doesn't happen we will continue in this period of dragging the whole league down to a mediocre level. Look at the international team, were a laughing stock.

Millennium Magic was a perfect example of how my interest in super league has declined. I used to watch any game, any team at any time. But this recent magic weekend I found relatively boring and must of fell asleep half a dozen times.

I’m with a lot of Wigan fans on this one that the [sizeSalary cap is ruining super league. [/size

Surely Sonny Bill Williams would have been playing in England not France right now if money wasn’t an issue. Add Mark Gasnier to that list as well. I don’t know if they ever was a time when League approach unions biggest ever stars in this country but I couldn’t ever see Dan Carter, Shane Williams and Danny Ciprini playing in super league thanks to this current climate.

I used to fall asleep to the NRL games. Then my mate Johnny told me this two refs system has made the league like old school super league but with better players. I checked it out for myself and for once in my life bar the SOO I agreed that the NRL is better than the SL.

My approach to improve super league? -

- Scrap the Salary cap and replace it with what post said [i“teams can spend half of what they earn and that is it because clubs aren't getting rewarded for making profits etc”[/i
- Bring in the two ref system that has been a godsend down under even if we don’t have enough SL qualified referees yet
- The bottom finishing club next year gets 5% profits from the top 8 clubs to buy a better team which will run along side their own salary cap

Ha ha you've spoken more sense in that pose than in your previous 4888!

The SC has NOT created a "level playing field" whatever the definition of that is.
Five out of the fourteen clubs don't spend the £1.6m so that knocks the LPF on its head.
Some clubs do spend the £1.6m like Wigan and Bradford.
Others spend the £1.6m then gain further benefit from Employee Benefit Trusts, Image Rights etc. Then there's the scams, like the Singapore scam, scams where it is alleged that players don't get their trust money at the end of the contract. Overseas Accounts. All these scams to circumvent and cheat the Salary Crap.
The original idea that it would stop clubs going broke has failed, the contention that it gives us a level playing field is a blatant lie!
The SC has created a distorted and dishonest competition.
As IL thinks the SC is wonderful along with his other counterpart SL chairmen & women then the chances are improving it are remote and abolishing it absolutely nil.
We are stuck with it and the decline in British Rugby League. The World Cup performance is something we had better get used to.

While we are at it, lets scrap the current format of the Magic weekend.

Make it a cup competition, drawn on the Friday evening with a very simple league the winner is the one with the best points difference. Just one game to score as many points as you possibly can while not letting a shed load in.

If teams are so closely matched now then there should be no problems with a random lottery of teams, nobody can prepare too much as the games are announced on the friday and the games should be nothing but attacking rugby that just doesn't stop as teams need to score as many points as possible.

Hell, while I am at it, lets have some extra subs thrown in, but they MUST come from the academy ranks of the club playing.

100% Spot on. Couldn't agree more.