Quote ="alex biscuit shoulders"What is wrong with being gay? I am a gay rugby player, Ian Roberts was a gay rugby ">player.'" nothing.

Quote ="alex biscuit shoulders"What is wrong with being gay? I am a gay rugby player, Ian Roberts was a gay rugby ">player.'" nothing.

Quote ="W18ANR"i would expect noble would pick the team??, c'mon for a man of knowlege i thought that even you would have got that one??, but he picks from what he has, the damage at wiagn was doen many years before noble got the job, i read further on in your post that we were meant to have targeted buderas but ended up with piggy, so are we meant to be happy with second fiddle choices??, as i said the damage in tearms of the salary cap was done long before noble arrived. As for dealing with ego's in the dressing room, the coach would be the one to sort that out but, if there are enough players with ego's which there are at wigan it would be an almost impossible task, as i have said before the players run the rule over the coach...lokk at ian millward as your example of that one...we signed noble who as you claim before, could have been anyone to step in to replace millward as the team wanted to impress, so why have they stopped impressing???, and if we have a team good enough as you say who love the game of rugby league, why the hell would you wanna bum around and look dis-interested when on the fireld of play infront of 14,000 fans, because they dont want him there anymore and wnat to push the squeeze on gettin him out???.the recruitment of the club, well there again id like to think noble, but this is wigan and we know from experience that the coach's we've seen and gone have been the fall guy's in the past of some bad recruitment rumoured to be by an ex- chairman. in short these are problems we've had for years so to throw the buck at nobles feet is really lame ">imo.'" So why is Noble picking the players he is ie all these overseas players you highlighted when he has other options? If you think there are bigger ego's than in the glory days you must be off your head. The fact is if the ego got in tjhe way of the team the coach got rid, see Bobby Goulding as the perfrect example of this. In my opinion the team has zero confidence in the coach, they are playing to a game plan they do not like and indeed many of them can see is wrong but have to abide by the coach. Millward lost the dressing room, if people are consistent then they would use the same line with Millward as they would with Noble. I personally think Millward has more talent technically than Noble ever has, the difference between the 2 is man management and history, in the end though i feel they both lost the dressing room and it reflects in the performances. We have had Noble in charge for 3 years he has more or less had enough time to get his team together apart from perhaps Bailey, who he continues to select even though he has younger Wigan options (one of your issues with the club) Exactly how long do we have to wait for Noble to show his ability? We have lost to the team that finished 11th last year and who had 2 key players out and there marquee player not arrived due to visa issues. We have lost to a team that struggled last year who had 17 fit fulltime players many of whomewould not get a run in the first team were it not for injury. We play a standard of rugby that does not suit our team and is easy for our opppnents to read, the same players make the same errors, who is to blame? I feel Noble uses tactics that do not compliment out players. I notice you mention Piggy. His performances are generally charaterised by creativity at the ruck and picking up runners, as well as making solid scoots. How can a player create if they have no options, no dummy runners and why does he look to be dragging his around the field, look lethargic and not up to the standard he has last year and the rest of his career prior to that?

Quote ="W18ANR"i would expect noble would pick the team??, c'mon for a man of knowlege i thought that even you would have got that one??, but he picks from what he has, the damage at wiagn was doen many years before noble got the job, i read further on in your post that we were meant to have targeted buderas but ended up with piggy, so are we meant to be happy with second fiddle choices??, as i said the damage in tearms of the salary cap was done long before noble arrived. As for dealing with ego's in the dressing room, the coach would be the one to sort that out but, if there are enough players with ego's which there are at wigan it would be an almost impossible task, as i have said before the players run the rule over the coach...lokk at ian millward as your example of that one...we signed noble who as you claim before, could have been anyone to step in to replace millward as the team wanted to impress, so why have they stopped impressing???, and if we have a team good enough as you say who love the game of rugby league, why the hell would you wanna bum around and look dis-interested when on the fireld of play infront of 14,000 fans, because they dont want him there anymore and wnat to push the squeeze on gettin him out???.the recruitment of the club, well there again id like to think noble, but this is wigan and we know from experience that the coach's we've seen and gone have been the fall guy's in the past of some bad recruitment rumoured to be by an ex- chairman. in short these are problems we've had for years so to throw the buck at nobles feet is really lame ">imo.'" So why is Noble picking the players he is ie all these overseas players you highlighted when he has other options? If you think there are bigger ego's than in the glory days you must be off your head. The fact is if the ego got in tjhe way of the team the coach got rid, see Bobby Goulding as the perfrect example of this. In my opinion the team has zero confidence in the coach, they are playing to a game plan they do not like and indeed many of them can see is wrong but have to abide by the coach. Millward lost the dressing room, if people are consistent then they would use the same line with Millward as they would with Noble. I personally think Millward has more talent technically than Noble ever has, the difference between the 2 is man management and history, in the end though i feel they both lost the dressing room and it reflects in the performances. We have had Noble in charge for 3 years he has more or less had enough time to get his team together apart from perhaps Bailey, who he continues to select even though he has younger Wigan options (one of your issues with the club) Exactly how long do we have to wait for Noble to show his ability? We have lost to the team that finished 11th last year and who had 2 key players out and there marquee player not arrived due to visa issues. We have lost to a team that struggled last year who had 17 fit fulltime players many of whomewould not get a run in the first team were it not for injury. We play a standard of rugby that does not suit our team and is easy for our opppnents to read, the same players make the same errors, who is to blame? I feel Noble uses tactics that do not compliment out players. I notice you mention Piggy. His performances are generally charaterised by creativity at the ruck and picking up runners, as well as making solid scoots. How can a player create if they have no options, no dummy runners and why does he look to be dragging his around the field, look lethargic and not up to the standard he has last year and the rest of his career prior to that?

Quote ="jonh"The only thing i think you would like to twist is a finger till it is knuckle deep in a certain hookers behind, he has a family and is not that kind of lad. Higham has nothing to do with this thread, or many others you simply push his name in. Higham was average at best at Wigan, on paper the Wigan team and Riddell himself are far superior to Higham, that is still clear. Run along nick try to form a valid opinion rather than having it clouded by dreams of Mick, that simply will not happen. P.S. i never knew you were Irish icon_wink.gif" alt="icon_wink.gif" title="Wink" />'" higham is crap with a wonky eye and receding hairline.

Quote ="jonh"The only thing i think you would like to twist is a finger till it is knuckle deep in a certain hookers behind, he has a family and is not that kind of lad. Higham has nothing to do with this thread, or many others you simply push his name in. Higham was average at best at Wigan, on paper the Wigan team and Riddell himself are far superior to Higham, that is still clear. Run along nick try to form a valid opinion rather than having it clouded by dreams of Mick, that simply will not happen. P.S. i never knew you were Irish icon_wink.gif" alt="icon_wink.gif" title="Wink" />'" higham is crap with a wonky eye and receding hairline.

Not attempting to troll at all here, I do understand the reasoning for some of the opinions in the thread not that i would share them as a result of these two matches.



I think Noble has earned himself this season by his achievement last season of getting to the elimination game for a second year running - considering many Wigan fans thoughts that the squad was average at best its not a bad position to get to.



What I'm not so sure about is can he take Wigan the next step?? This years team should be classed as a Noble team - of your main squad of 23 for this season (not counting 6 club juniors):



- 9 were handpicked by Noble or the hierarchy to which am sure Noble would have consented to.

- 10 have progressed through the club over the last 5 years or so, only Goulding & O'Loughlin seem to gain any disapproval but not by the majority or you.

- The remaining 4 are Richards, Leuluai, Paleaaesina and Bailey – to which only Bailey doesn’t seem to come up to some of your standards.



If your season isn’t successful I’d certainly want the owners to look for alternative options, but what is a successful season in the current situation? Would you be happy with a GF/Challenge Cup Final place or does it have to result in a trophy THIS season?

Quote ="jonh"I personally hope Cas stuff us, so that we can see an and to the reign of Brian Noble, and have some hope for this season and beyond. Bring back the ">Pearl.'" Someones had a beer.....

Quote ="jonh"I personally hope Cas stuff us, so that we can see an and to the reign of Brian Noble, and have some hope for this season and beyond. Bring back the ">Pearl.'" Someones had a beer.....

Quote ="Chris Saint"Not attempting to troll at all here, I do understand the reasoning for some of the opinions in the thread not that i would share them as a result of these two matches. I think Noble has earned himself this season by his achievement last season of getting to the elimination game for a second year running - considering many Wigan fans thoughts that the squad was average at best its not a bad position to get to. What I'm not so sure about is can he take Wigan the next step?? This years team should be classed as a Noble team - of your main squad of 23 for this season (not counting 6 club juniors): - 9 were handpicked by Noble or the hierarchy to which am sure Noble would have consented to. - 10 have progressed through the club over the last 5 years or so, only Goulding & O'Loughlin seem to gain any disapproval but not by the majority or you. - The remaining 4 are Richards, Leuluai, Paleaaesina and Bailey – to which only Bailey doesn’t seem to come up to some of your standards. If your season isn’t successful I’d certainly want the owners to look for alternative options, but what is a successful season in the current situation? Would you be happy with a GF/Challenge Cup Final place or does it have to result in a trophy THIS season?'" It's not about winning trophies for me. It's about enjoying my rugby - and I'm afraid we are just about the most boring team in the comp. icon_sad.gif" alt="icon_sad.gif" title="Sad" />

Quote ="Chris Saint"Not attempting to troll at all here, I do understand the reasoning for some of the opinions in the thread not that i would share them as a result of these two matches. I think Noble has earned himself this season by his achievement last season of getting to the elimination game for a second year running - considering many Wigan fans thoughts that the squad was average at best its not a bad position to get to. What I'm not so sure about is can he take Wigan the next step?? This years team should be classed as a Noble team - of your main squad of 23 for this season (not counting 6 club juniors): - 9 were handpicked by Noble or the hierarchy to which am sure Noble would have consented to. - 10 have progressed through the club over the last 5 years or so, only Goulding & O'Loughlin seem to gain any disapproval but not by the majority or you. - The remaining 4 are Richards, Leuluai, Paleaaesina and Bailey – to which only Bailey doesn’t seem to come up to some of your standards. If your season isn’t successful I’d certainly want the owners to look for alternative options, but what is a successful season in the current situation? Would you be happy with a GF/Challenge Cup Final place or does it have to result in a trophy THIS season?'" It's not about winning trophies for me. It's about enjoying my rugby - and I'm afraid we are just about the most boring team in the comp. icon_sad.gif" alt="icon_sad.gif" title="Sad" />

Probably.

Quote ="wire-quin"Nobby was stood watching cas/quins with the London fans today. Your next 2 opponents.'" there were more than two london fans there icon_cool.gif" alt="icon_cool.gif" title="Cool" />

Quote ="wire-quin"Nobby was stood watching cas/quins with the London fans today. Your next 2 opponents.'" there were more than two london fans there icon_cool.gif" alt="icon_cool.gif" title="Cool" />

I am Micky Higham.

Good post.



Thats something that nobody can agree on nor decide. What makes a succesful season? I'd be happy with a final appearence and/or higher league finish than last season. Also, a win over Saints on derby day would be nice, but going off your second half performance V Wire, that looks very unlikely!

Quote ="jonh"I personally hope Cas stuff us, so that we can see an and to the reign of Brian Noble, and have some hope for this season and beyond. Bring back the ">Pearl.'" Glad you got what you asked for, we always like to be of help. icon_wink.gif" alt="icon_wink.gif" title="Wink" />

Quote ="jonh"I personally hope Cas stuff us, so that we can see an and to the reign of Brian Noble, and have some hope for this season and beyond. Bring back the ">Pearl.'" Glad you got what you asked for, we always like to be of help. icon_wink.gif" alt="icon_wink.gif" title="Wink" />

Quote ="poppys mum"Glad you got what you asked for, we always like to be of help. icon_wink.gif" alt="icon_wink.gif" title="Wink" />'" I am only happy if it generates the end result i wanted, which from the words of IFL it will not. Sad to say i may well be starting a come on Quins thread in the very near future.

Quote ="poppys mum"Glad you got what you asked for, we always like to be of help. icon_wink.gif" alt="icon_wink.gif" title="Wink" />'" I am only happy if it generates the end result i wanted, which from the words of IFL it will not. Sad to say i may well be starting a come on Quins thread in the very near future.

Quote ="jonh"I am only happy if it generates the end result i wanted, which from the words of IFL it will not. Sad to say i may well be starting a come on Quins thread in the very near ">future.'" jon, remember what a 'vote of confidence' often means

Quote ="jonh"I am only happy if it generates the end result i wanted, which from the words of IFL it will not. Sad to say i may well be starting a come on Quins thread in the very near ">future.'" jon, remember what a 'vote of confidence' often means