A professional sports club and one expected to be at the top of it’s league shouldn’t put itself in a position where they’re solely reliant on signing one player and a player we didn’t actually know was coming back to the UK until a good way through 2021. We all knew Hastings would be going well in advance of that, so what was the plan had Williams remained in Oz? Why weren’t we down the road with other targets? You have to be planning well in advance surely and have various irons in the fire. Leeds needed a half, didn’t get Williams and moved straight on to Sezer. Huddersfield wanted two and got them done months and months ago. This isn’t me slagging the club off for the sake of it, I just don’t do that but I can’t say I think they’ve handled the halfback situation well at all because I think it’s a poor show tbh.

From the outside looking in I believe you have been making sense.

The squad building looks to have been criminally poor in recent times and not signing a proper prop for 2021 was insanity.

That isn't hindsight talking, it was blindingly obvious. I recall a thread on here leading into the GF saying how the Wigan pack was as good as the Saints pack and Brad Singleton would walk into the Saints team and "terrorised" us etc - it was delusional. I know the comeback will be that "we were a bounce away" but it has felt to me for a good few years that the Wigan side was one struggling (admirably no doubt) to play above its level rather than fundamentally being a dangerous team. Bad luck with injuries also granted.

I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Wigan fall (further?) behind Saints/Wire/Leeds/Catalans next season - it all just feels a bit haphazard and rudderless, with some strangely public noises about managing injuries, Hardaker etc adding to that feeling.

Dodged the question again I see

You may be right here (again we will never know) but my point is that our supposed poor recruitment and under performing squad is tipped each season by bookies and our fans to finish in the top 2/3 and challenge for trophies. So our recruitment/squad can't be that bad??

On the other hand, if someone was to say we will struggle to make the top 4 (something someone has said ahead of next season) then by finishing 2nd in 2019, 1st (and making the GF) in 2020 and 4th in 2021 we must have over performed rather than under performed???

Personally................I do think it will be a tough season BUT if we can manage to play our best 17 for once then who knows because we haven't done that for 3 years, and our coach was dreadful.

I think the comeback is more likely to be ‘you’re making things up’ and that’s because you are. I certainly don’t recall people saying our pack was as good, maybe they were saying that minus Walmsley it could be and it was in the league game prior to the final. I recall the Singleton conversations differently as well. In a combined 17 at the time a good few of us was putting him in because he’d really made a difference to us when he came in and in that league game he got under the Saints players skins and did a job for us. He actually had a really strong finish to 2021 for us and I’d probably pick him in a combined 17 still tbh. I still don’t overly rate Lees/Amor.

If the question is predict things that have already happened in the past three seasons, it does seem a redundant question - it's almost as bizarre as saying you can't have an opinion about the squad because next season hasn't happened yet.

In the game you refer to Singleton was said to have scared the life out of Grace so he dropped the ball . . . . by being nowhere near Grace when he dropped the ball. Then shouting at him after he'd dropped the ball.



Brad Singleton would be a decent 4th/5th choice prop I agree. But that is the point isn't it - he's your number 8, which underlines the shoddy squad management.

At least a couple of props are coming in next year but you'd have to say Wigan should have at least one proven, top class prop in the squad and they have none as far as I can see and I'm wondering when they last did really.

Love it when fans from other teams come on and give us advice.Much appreciated Fear.Now give your advice to Huddersfield/Cas etc.
Wigan will be ok and we will win a trophy in the not too distant future that I am sure of.

I absolutely agree with your general point about our squad management being poor these last few seasons (although recruitment is always mysteriously better when you have a good coach and not Lam/Cunningham) but your comments about Wigan fans claiming our pack was as good as Saints first choice pack or us boasting that Singleton was the second coming are twisting the truth and you know it. The truth was that bar Walmsley there wasn’t much between the packs and Singleton would probably get a bench place in a combined 17. Where there was a huge difference was between the coaching abilities of Lam and Holbrook/Woolf.

We’ll see how we go with our props for next season. I can’t see us being weaker (not sure how they could offer less than Clubb, Clark and Bullock) but we’ll see. The real key for us will be in the coaching seat and can he get the extra few percent needed from every player across the board.

Even if you had the same average attendance as 1986, you’d still be insolvent and would they be able to borrow money

Who owns the land that the Saints stadium is built on? Is it the Langtree group, St Helens Council or Saints?