Understandable in what way ??

To be fair it was only after receiving a few nasty high shots, a few which went unpunished, that Sam actually started going down easily when taken out high. This is not exactly something out of the ordinary. It's been done by players for decades and it's been done by current players and past players and at all levels from amateur to professional.
When I used to play the game I was always told to go down if I was hit high. Whilst that may have been because I was more use lying flat on the ground than with the ball in my hands, it's something that players will do and something coaches will tell players to do, especially if they are getting some rough treatment but no protection from officials. (Or in the case of Steve Prescott against Wigan, they just want to get someone sent off).

I've only seen Sam go down easily twice. Once against Hull KR when Dobson slapped him across the face as he made a break and against St Helens when Meli gave him a slap in the face. He tends to get up from the big hits and huge collisions unless he's genuinely hurt. Is it really cheating when a player infringes and you go down? It's probably seen as a bit soft, but when I was playing it was the only way I could get my own back for the bigger players getting away with some sh*thouse tactics.

Yeah they're allowed back on I'm sure I've seen fielden get knocked out go back on and be knocked out again in one match.

I know we are all a little one eyed when it comes to our own teams but I think you will find that most none wiganers have a different view
Just out of curiosity what do you think of Lee Briers (I'd ask about a Hull player but I'm not sure which one(s) opposition fans have an issue with)

SAM TOMKINS.....People hate him because they fear him.

I dont like Lee Briers but we all know thats because hes a great talent and thats why people hate Tomkins they all claim its other things but its not its because he's the most promising young talent in SL.

The "blinkers" thing is incorrect though. A few years ago when Mathers ran up and knocked King out as soon as I saw it I said "ouch" and called mathers a "bell*nd" and cursed his name. Only absolute idiot fans applaud a player getting knocked out like the Bradford fans did today and booing?! WHAT!? We didn't even BOO McGuire (well we did until we saw he was injured as at first we thought he had just cheated you see) See the thing here is that Sam was scoring a try not cheating and yet people keep bringing up that we laughed at McGuire yes we had no sympathy but only a very very small minority of our fans actually said he deserved it or whatever. I hate what Raynor did it was not intentional that he hit him in the face but the fact he had his fist clenched says that he was certainly not trying to grab him and pull him away from the line which is what a player would be expected to do in that situation.

At the end of the day we got through and Sam is apparently OK now so I just hope he isnt affected by this because, what alot of people forget when they moan about him, is that he is going to be one hell of a player for England and if he gets scared of playing by sh*thouse tactics and not being helped by refs when he gets hit high all the time then England are gonna lose a brilliant player.

If the comment about hating Sam Tomkins is aimed at me you are wide of the mark. I've never met the bloke and can honestly say I don't think I hate anyone.
It's fair to say I have very little respect for him which I think is a totally different thing

Thanks for the debate just realised the time -goodnight all

Because you think he cheats?

Mate, do you actually know the rules? It was a straight red. Wtf are you arguing about? Just because you know him doesn't mean he isn't subject to the same rules as every other player!

Don't you just love posts like thisI am a reasonable man (honest). I am completely neutral (honest). I have no particular beef with your club (honest). I am as fair and affable as the next guy on the terraces (honest). I certainly don't condone the foul on your player (honest). But I just can't help myself - I have to sneak it in somewhere that your cheating scum player got exactly what he deserved. Why? Erm ... well ... erm ... I'm sure I can think of a few reasons sooner or later. But everyone knows he deserved it. I repeat that I don't personally condone it (honest), but I have to tell you that those who do condone it are completely understandable in their reaction. Why? Erm ... well ... erm ... I'm sure I can think of a few reasons sooner or later. Oh hang on, he's a cheat! That's it, yes. He's a cheat and he deserves ... no he donsn't deserve it, but it's understandable if he gets clobbered from time to time. That's not my opinion by the way (honest), but it's understandable that others have this opinion. I repeat I am a completely reasonable man and I'm only here to tell you what the rest of the world thinks about your team and your players. These aren't my views by the way, but it's understandable that others hold them [/i

You can't beat the advice of a reasonable man.

Sam was knocked out cold, I cant believe people on this thread from other clubs are caling him a "cheat" just watch his eyes as he goes down, the challenge was absoulutely disgusting and he deserved a red and a lengthy ban, it was a clenched fist straight in the face as he was going down, not only was it disgusting it was cowardly.

Oh come off it. My post was to someone else entirely and I was having a pop at them for holding beating a Championship 1 side in such high regard. You jumped in with your constant willie waving. The only time I've responded in kind was an attempt to show you how pointless and silly it is since practically any SL side can make the claims you were making. And now I've pointed that out you reckon the only one that matters is Wigan v Wire, despite having gone on and on AND ON about us scraping a win against Bradford. Your constant dick measuring on our board and attempting to belittle yesterday's victory speaks volumes, it really does.

Nobody cares, 56 years and counting, small club - small club mentality.

It was a clenched first to try and knock the ball out - same as most players are seeminly trained to do. And a last desperate act to try and prevent the try. It went awry, and we saw what happened. Not entirely unexpected that if you miss the arm or the ball and the playing is going down for the try, you might instead connect with the head. That will likely mean it is judged as "reckless" not "careless", and some referees give red for that. And, if applied consistently, few could argue IMO. And SOS. Bulls have learned to our cost this year that some referees though do NOT give red, even when it appears to be a clear smack in the face from behind as the player is in the act of scoring or seems a deliberate unprovoked assault right at the start of the match.

If you or others allege it was deliberate, I suggest you are knocking on the door of defamation. Reckless? as it ended up, probably. Deliberate? No chance. Only a complete idiot would try and do that deliberately, in front of the cameras and with no other players to hide behind.

And yes, anyone calling Tomkins a cheat has to be either stupid or so partisan as to not warrant listening to? The world and his dog could see he was knocked out - thankfully only briefly. Some of his past antics do not necessarily reflect well on him, but on this occasion he most certainly was not crying wolf.

But sorry, please do not let me interfere with the proceedings of the kangaroo court.