FORUMS > Wigan Warriors > Maguire to Souths - Official? |
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Moderator | 14395 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Dec 2001 | 23 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
May 2024 | May 2022 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
26.jpg Last league derby at Central Park 5/9/1999: Wigan 28 St. Helens 20
Last league derby at Knowsley Road 2/4/2010: St. Helens 10 Wigan 18:26.jpg |
Moderator
|
| Quote: Cruncher "If it turns out that all we've got to grumble about is a misleading article on the club's website, then I'll grumble along with you.'"
I have led you to a categoric statement from the club, not press rumour, on Maguire's contract terms and you prefer to believe the rumours and go on to say in another post its actually a fact he has a two year contract when you have absolutely no proof that is the case. Quite clearly you believe what you want to believe to suit your argument despite having club statements to the contrary shoved under your nose.
I can almost guess the response
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Moderator | 14395 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Dec 2001 | 23 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
May 2024 | May 2022 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
26.jpg Last league derby at Central Park 5/9/1999: Wigan 28 St. Helens 20
Last league derby at Knowsley Road 2/4/2010: St. Helens 10 Wigan 18:26.jpg |
Moderator
|
| Quote: jinkin jimmy "Hold on Dave he hasn't screwed anything up yet! I've voiced my concerns too but let's wait and see how we go from here shall we?'"
I thought we had given up paraphrasing everything with "if he does leave" and the discussion was based on the assumption he was gone already. I'd be more than happy if this thread was a complete waste of time.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Moderator | 14395 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Dec 2001 | 23 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
May 2024 | May 2022 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
26.jpg Last league derby at Central Park 5/9/1999: Wigan 28 St. Helens 20
Last league derby at Knowsley Road 2/4/2010: St. Helens 10 Wigan 18:26.jpg |
Moderator
|
| Quote: FearTheVee "If he has a two year contract with the option of a further year (or a three year contract with the option of a move if an NRL club comes in) then IL has known the position all along and MM has far from "screwed things up for the club" - he's done precisely what his contract says whilst winning you (at least) one SL title in the process.'"
Well that is the pint isn't it "IF" he only has a two year deal but would you expect any club to put out the statement I have linked to if he didn't have a three year deal?
Quote: FearTheVee "Not only that, he appears to be giving IL oodles of time to find a replacement by sorting something out early.'"
Well given the Souths vacancy needs filling now that is inevitable so I don't think he can earn browney points for that. I doubt he would have resigned now with no job to go to just to give IL pplenty of time to find a new coach.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Board Member | 11377 | |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Sep 2002 | 22 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2024 | Aug 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
2960.jpg :2960.jpg |
|
| Quote: DaveO "Well that is the pint isn't it "IF" he only has a two year deal but would you expect any club to put out the statement I have linked to if he didn't have a three year deal?'"
What's the difference between a 3 year deal with the option to leave after 2 and a 2 year deal with the option to stay for a third year?
If he has the former then Wigan were perfectly entitled to announce it as a 3 year deal I reckon.
Look at football - lots of players have buy out / sale clauses but they don't get announced when they sign the contract; they only come up if someone looks to exercise one of these clauses. That's what I reckon has happened here.
|
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Coach | 3787 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Mar 2005 | 20 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jul 2020 | Mar 2020 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
: |
|
| Quote: DaveO "I thought we had given up paraphrasing everything with "if he does leave" and the discussion was based on the assumption he was gone already. I'd be more than happy if this thread was a complete waste of time.'"
Sorry Dave you misunderstand me. I believe it is a done deal but I don't believe it has to lead to the ruination of this season. I'm concerned about his ability to continue to give 100% but as Cruncher says he has certainly earned the right to have a crack at it. Also, whilst I take on board the Surgeon's comments it is still only April and we have plenty of time to turn things around. His impending move is just one factor we have had to contend with this season along with the WCC, injuries, Gleeson, etc.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 77 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Oct 2008 | 16 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
May 2012 | May 2012 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
41248_1294849091.jpg In Madge We Trust:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_41248.jpg |
|
| All this talk of 2 years or 3 years is a little off the mark.
He has effectively served 1 year because year 2 will be disrupted by his impending departure (if it's not already).
|
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Board Member | 32357 | |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Oct 2002 | 22 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2024 | Nov 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
3076_1671446335.jpg SAINTS THE ORIGINAL AND PERENNIAL CHEATS
For sale full Saints kit (circa 1989). Shirts in pristine condition, but shorts badly soiled.
For 27 - 0 you get a trophy
For 75 - 0 you get sod all.
Wigan had eight in a row
Saints have five in a row:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_3076.jpg |
|
| Quote: FearTheVee "What's the difference between a 3 year deal with the option to leave after 2 and a 2 year deal with the option to stay for a third year?
If he has the former then Wigan were perfectly entitled to announce it as a 3 year deal I reckon.
Look at football - lots of players have buy out / sale clauses but they don't get announced when they sign the contract; they only come up if someone looks to exercise one of these clauses. That's what I reckon has happened here.'"
Correct, dear me.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Board Member | 11377 | |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Sep 2002 | 22 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2024 | Aug 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
2960.jpg :2960.jpg |
|
| Quote: Giz "He has effectively served 1 year because year 2 will be disrupted by his impending departure (if it's not already).'"
Only if the players are unprofessional, unless you're saying he'd have to quit at the end of the 2nd year of a 3 year contract because the players would know he was leaving then too?
|
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Moderator | 14324 | |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Dec 2001 | 23 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2024 | Oct 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
27_1469093054.jpg :d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_27.jpg |
Moderator
|
| Quote: DaveO "Quite right and while the stock answer to this is he was always using Wigan as a stepping stone it was supposed to be a three season stepping stone not one where he looks for another job after less than 16 months. All this its OK and he isn't doing anything wrong because he may technically be able to get out of his commitment is just bonkers. He has screwed things up for the club by doing so, so he is in the wrong.'"
You know for a fact he's been looking do you? Maybe as with all the best people he's been headhunted because of the works he done and been given an offer he couldn't refuse.
I haven't seen anything screwed up for the club, the knee-jerks rants are getting a bit OTT.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 866 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Mar 2006 | 19 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Aug 2011 | Aug 2011 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
: |
|
| Quote: Giz "All this talk of 2 years or 3 years is a little off the mark.
He has effectively served 1 year because year 2 will be disrupted by his impending departure (if it's not already).[/quote]
seems like theres some sort of rumor here
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Board Member | 32357 | |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Oct 2002 | 22 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2024 | Nov 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
3076_1671446335.jpg SAINTS THE ORIGINAL AND PERENNIAL CHEATS
For sale full Saints kit (circa 1989). Shirts in pristine condition, but shorts badly soiled.
For 27 - 0 you get a trophy
For 75 - 0 you get sod all.
Wigan had eight in a row
Saints have five in a row:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_3076.jpg |
|
| Quote: FearTheVee "Only if the players are unprofessional, unless you're saying he'd have to quit at the end of the 2nd year of a 3 year contract because the players would know he was leaving then too?'"
It could also have the other effect in that the players have become such a tight knit group under Maguire that they will want to send him out on a high, which is what I think will happen.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Board Member | 11377 | |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Sep 2002 | 22 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2024 | Aug 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
2960.jpg :2960.jpg |
|
| Quote: Rogues Gallery "It could also have the other effect in that the players have become such a tight knit group under Maguire that they will want to send him out on a high, which is what I think will happen.'"
I'd be inclined to agree.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 5506 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Mar 2010 | 15 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Oct 2024 | Jun 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
50774_1329287946.jpg :d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_50774.jpg |
|
| Quote: truewiganer "haha, yeah apologies for that was trying to stop a rant coming out and lost my typing ability (not that i really ever had it!)'"
"seems like theres some sort of rumor here"
not to mention the grammatical & spelling errors of course ?
sorry,couldn't resist...
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 20628 | |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Mar 2009 | 16 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Aug 2016 | Aug 2016 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
44480_1390845286.jpg It's been fun.:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_44480.jpg |
|
| So now that it's more or less established Madge is going what is the favourite scenario for 2012?
Does SW get the job full time and someone gets promoted to No.2
Or
Do they look to Oz again
Or
They look to bring in one of your old boys Edwards/Hanley/Farrell
Or
Big money offer for a current SL coach?
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 77 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Oct 2008 | 16 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
May 2012 | May 2012 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
41248_1294849091.jpg In Madge We Trust:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_41248.jpg |
|
| Quote: FearTheVee "Only if the players are unprofessional, unless you're saying he'd have to quit at the end of the 2nd year of a 3 year contract because the players would know he was leaving then too?'"
No its different. Year 3 was always going to be a transition year - we know Wane is lined up to play a prominent role (probably head coach) and plans would have been made to handover responsibility throughout the 3rd year.
There were no such plans in place for this (2nd year)..Wigan now need to act quickly:-
Sort out his successor
Implement a transition plan (ASAP)
Ensure this season is a productive one building on last years triumph
This situation will be a difficult one to handle this year - mark my words.
|
|
|
|
|
|