JonB95. You say we have the second most watched league on Sky Sports.

The problem for the Rugby League is it is probably one of the cheapest in terms of the cost to Sky.

My point is really based on the fact the the problem has not really hit us yet. As players continue to leave our game the quality will dip. Whilst some people (including me) will alway have a season ticket some will lose faith as much as interest. Whilst I take your point about sky currently how long will they want to fund a sport that is becoming weaker, and please dont tell me that its not. As for average crowds they are not virtually on a par with RU. If you add the average of the 14 SL clubs and divide it shows and average of just over 9500. Yawnion averages 3000 more which equates to nearly 25%! I didnt realise that the global credit crisis was restricted to the north of England however you could cancel that out with the fact that the summer months does lead to larger crowds. If things carry on do you really think that crowds will rise?

We might well make a profit on the World Cup but so what? Where will the money go? My point was about the crowds etc and how our players would kill for an international game like they have.

So the attitude of the fans is whats holding the game back? Really?? I dont think any of the players off to pastures new would cite this as the reason that theyre going, whichever club they leave.

And it should cost more. But what position are we in to order Sky Sports around? They have been something of a saving grace for our sport.

Thats true but I do think our game is undersold by the RFL

The reason club RU is 3000 in front of us average wise is due to saracens playing at wembley once or twice a year giving thousands of free tickets away. Harlequins do the same at twickenham. If saracens, harlequins, london irish and wasp didnt take games to big stadiums and give away thousands of free tickets the average crowd of club RU would be around 10,000. RU is exactly thriving they have had wasps go in admin and the only have one top flight team in the north sale and they may get relegated this year. As for the welsh RU clubs they all went out of business and there down to 4 regions and there still struggling to make ends meet. I think people on here really overate RU

Don't forget here the Union average is taking into account both the Twickenham double header and the Saracens-Harlequins game, in which about 70,000 of the crowd were there primarily because they either got free tickets or wanted to see McFly perform. I don't think this says anything about the greater popularity of rugby union. Of course the credit crunch isn't restricted to the north, but i'm sure as you know rugby league is most popular in some of the more.. 'deprived' areas of our country, in stark contrast to union! (cliché, but true)
The quality of our league is still far above any of the dog turd i've seen dished up this season in the Aviva Premiership (which is declining just as badly imo). I'm sick to death of our fans complaining about how crap Super League is. If anything I think it's WONDERFUL that we are seeing more and more young players coming through in place of the Australian veterans. It will in the long-term increase the credibility of our competition.
I'm sure we can weather a few years of a dip in intensity. The more young English players experiencing Super League week in week out, the better it will become over a longer period of time.
The profit made from the World Cup will be distributed however the RFL chooses. I don't know, I don't work there! Of course, the number 1 benefit is the increased awareness to our great sport across the globe. Our international game is small of course, but we have to accept this and do whatever we can to send the game to new audiences. Union's world cup is of little interest to me - i'm sure it will have an effect, but will it be long-term? It's already under fire because the games have been all scheduled for soulless football grounds with virtually zero rugby heritage (apart from Gloucester). Do we really want our game to sell its soul like that?
The difference in union is that their fans generally accept their game as it is, and will fight its corner whenever they possibly can. And the RFU is not the most spectacular organization in the world either.
I don't know why I bother myself with some of the whingers on here. Just accept the game and keep smiling, if you love the game enough then watching it week in week out should be enough to put a smile on your face - we are lucky to have what we have.

I agree 100% i can not believe what i read with some of these lot.

sale sharks 6800, London welsh 4500, London irish 7000, London wasp 6500, Exeter 7000, Worcester 8000, Saracens 6500 that is approx what will watch these clubs on a average game at there regular stadiums. Its nothing to shout about is really not much different to are lower clubs. Only club that gets regular big crowds is Leicester Tigers the rest are bumped up with these free ticket days at wembley and twickenham. Also london irish on st patricks day go from 6500 - 7000 to getting 20,000 for a day probably due to free tickets. The only team in london that get decent crowds is harlequins average 14,000. We talk about boom and bust most of these union clubs are losing a fortune but still want to offer people like Tomkins big money it is only due to wealthy owners as they take are players. We could do same if we raised cap and the likes of IL put his hand in his pocket. Yeah we would lose money but its up to owners to clear the debt and if we ever lose a wealthy a owner the club goes t*ts up just like saracens would if there owner walked away. If we are going to die as you all say we might as well go down fighting and yes there will be a gap between the top and the bottom clubs but there already is now so nothing will change. Look at there losses in this in 2009-2010 and nothing will have changed for them www.nowrugby.com/mb/showthread.php?t=84333

sale sharks 6800, London welsh 4500, London irish 7000, London wasp 6500, Exeter 7000, Worcester 8000, Saracens 6500 that is approx what will watch these clubs on a average game at there regular stadiums. Its nothing to shout about is really not much different to are lower clubs. Only club that gets regular big crowds is Leicester Tigers the rest are bumped up with these free ticket days at wembley and twickenham. Also london irish on st patricks day go from 6500 - 7000 to getting 20,000 for a day probably due to free tickets. The only team in london that get decent crowds is harlequins average 14,000. We talk about boom and bust most of these union clubs are losing a fortune but still want to offer people like Tomkins big money it is only due to wealthy owners as they take are players. We could do same if we raised cap and the likes of IL put his hand in his pocket. Yeah we would lose money but its up to owners to clear the debt and if we ever lose a wealthy a owner the club goes t*ts up just like saracens would if there owner walked away. If we are going to die as you all say we might as well go down fighting and yes there will be a gap between the top and the bottom clubs but there already is now so nothing will change. Look at there losses in this in 2009-2010 and nothing will have changed for them www.nowrugby.com/mb/showthread.php?t=84333

Some on here say that they are fed-up with the doom merchants of RL and we should look at the woes of the RFU to get the real picture of the respective sports into a true perspective. I believe it’s not me and others like me who can’t see the real picture. If you lot think for one minute that RU will sink like a stone just because our beloved game is a much better product, and in time good will conquer evil, think again. All I can say you’ve probably lived in the North for too long. Aside from the product, all our game has is its fans and an inept management structure, and though I agree these also apply to RU what they have which we don’t is backing where it counts, from the big boys at the BBC, to the old school ties in the halls of power, of newspaper sport, and even government. Just watch the coverage on all TV channels and see the difference in coverage, the BBC love to promote the Northern cloth cap an whippet image, and if you think I’m wrong, then it’s not me who’s deluded.

I do not think RU will ever die but i also do not think RL is going to die or go semi pro in the next 5 years as some say. For as long as the 57 old farts are running RU/the country union will always get more coverage on tv and in papers. RU as always been the same and had big international scence but it does not mean we have to die.

The RU has signed the new deal for £38 million per season with BT? but how much were they getting from SKY and how much will that drop by in the new deal or will Sky not televise any of the RU games.

The RU Clubs should use that extra tv money to balance there books out. Saracens losing £6mil a year even with the extra tv money they will still lose money and any extra money they get they want try using it to stop there mass exdous to the french RU instead of wasting it on RL players. If Rugby Union clubs are so safe why did Wasp going into admin ? How can crowds and rich owners not be an issue for RU clubs with this "money flowing in" the money flowing in is obviously not as much as the money flowing out otherwise all aviva premership clubs would post profits but only 2 clubs do

I think they once said that about jousting !