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| Quote: FearTheVee "He was a good player at Wire too, but was deemed part of the culture problem that needed changing. It was a good move from Smith, and perhaps his attitude has improved at Wigan (although I do recall him being dropped for attitude reasons at Wigan?)
Wire have two centres (three if you include Atkins) who have been more impressive than Gleeson this season IMO, so it looks a good call.'"
Other fans has hugely underated Gleeson this year IMO. He has been superb in defence pretty much all year. Better than Bridge but behind Atkins and King.
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| Quote: Paul Youane "I'd say King, Atkins and Bridge have all performed better at centre than Gleeson this year. I wonder which two of those three you think Gleeson has been better than?'"
And I'd say That's an opinion, Biased??????
I'd personally go for Gleeson over Bridge/King (The 2 x that play Right centre BTW) but you know what? I'd probably be a bit biased as well as I see 80 mins of Every game that he plays inc those when he may not have scored 2/3 tries etc but made 25 tackles & took the ball up 15 times inside his own half like a 2nd rower at times often relieving the pressure on our forwards.
I think funnily enough that Gleeson has been more of a "Team" player this year and I'm sure no-one can argue with his workrate whilst his wingers have scored 30+ tries outside him.
I bet if you asked Wire fans who they'd pick in each position they'd probably pick 90% Wire players Yet Wigan are 4 points clear top pf the League!
I bet the same in reverse yet Wire have won the CC last 2 x years.
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| Quote: Cruncher "Sadly, comments like this make me realise that, despite the amount of growing up they've done recently, there are still plenty of Wire fans who are labouring under the 'we can do no wrong' delusion.
Gleeson has been a good-to-very-good signing for us, and no amount of wishful thinking by you lot will change that fact.'"
The right attitude part was the key. We got rid as he was a bit of a waster, like somebody said previously, didn't want to be here. Although very talented player and still one of the best centres in the game, just not as good as the 3 we possess.
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| Quote: Jukesays "
I bet if you asked Wire fans who they'd pick in each position they'd probably pick 90% Wire players Yet Wigan are 4 points clear top pf the League!
I bet the same in reverse yet Wire have won the CC last 2 x years.'"
I'd go with.
Richards
Roberts
Bridge
Atkins
King
Briers
Tomkins
Morley
Monaghan
Carvell
Westwood
Tomkins
O'Loughlin
Subs:
Leuluai
Coley
Solomona
Wood
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| Quote: Jukesays "I'd personally go for Gleeson over Bridge/King (The 2 x that play Right centre BTW) but you know what? I'd probably be a bit biased as well as I see 80 mins of Every game that he plays inc those when he may not have scored 2/3 tries etc but made 25 tackles & took the ball up 15 times inside his own half like a 2nd rower at times often relieving the pressure on our forwards.
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Do you honestly think Gleeson has been better than King this year?
Compare the stats for King/Bridge/Gleeson on the SL site.
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| Didn't Matt King start out on the wing this season until Chris Bridge got injured? Personally I still think that's his best position
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| This discussion is getting close to pointless.
Most Wire fans will only have seen Gleeson play on TV, and most Wigan fans will have equally limited knowledge of Wire's centres. (The same applies to the Saints commentator).
No-one is really qualified to say their players are the 'better ones'.
A factual analysis of this season's competition is equally inconclusive. The two teams have both cancelled each other out once. Wire have a won a big trophy, but Wigan have finished the season with significantly more league points than Wire, proving that they are more consistent.
That said, Wigan fans ARE qualified to claim that Martin Gleeson has been a very good signing for them - because he has. And if Warrington have THREE centres who are better than him, their lowlier position in the league table doesn't provide much evidence of it.
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| So because Wigan finished 4 points (nats bollock) ahead it proves Gleeson is better?
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| Quote: Paul Youane "Do you honestly think Gleeson has been better than King this year?
Compare the stats for King/Bridge/Gleeson on the SL site.'"
He has for be because as I said I've seen around 35+ hours of Gleeson whereas I've seen around maybe 10/15 hours of the other 2?
You can Quote stats as much as you like but I know what I see with my own eyes and even though I wouldn't have any qualms about any of those 3 being my right centre at Wigan I know the job Gleeson has done for Wigan and for "This Wigan Team" I wouldn't swap him for the other 2.
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| Quote: Cruncher "This discussion is getting close to pointless...'"
It went beyond pointless a good few pages back. All that you're going to get now are fans of both clubs nitpicking and being pedantic with daft, pathetic little snipes and 'my water carrier is better than yours'.
Tony Smith is a top quality coach and has proved it. Warrington are one of the top sides in European rugby league at the moment and it looks like Smith has laid a platform for continued success for at least a few more seasons yet.
In my opinion if either Wire or Wigan win the Grand Final, then their coach will win Coach of the Year. I think Noble has done wonders at Crusaders, but would come a fine third for me.
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| Quote: Wire_85 "So because Wigan finished 4 points (nats bollock) ahead it proves Gleeson is better?
So because you won the CC it proves the other 3 are better than Gleeson how?
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| Quote: Wire_85 "So because Wigan finished 4 points (nats bollock) ahead it proves Gleeson is better?
No. But if Wire have got three players in the middle who are better than him, I'd expect them to do have done a bit better than us (considering they regard him as 'dead wood').
But, as I said in the same post, it doesn't really prove anything either way.
You need to accept that Gleeson has been a very good signing for Wigan. We're not just making that up to spite you lot. It's true.
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| I said he had been a good signing for you as have others.
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| Quote: Jukesays "So because you won the CC it proves the other 3 are better than Gleeson how?'"
No it doesn't.
But winning 2 Challenge Cups since he left proves we don't miss him either.
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| Quote: Wire_85 "No it doesn't.
But winning 2 Challenge Cups since he left proves we don't miss him either.'"
And as per the thread on your site (Proving you guys want to convince yourself that he's upset he left Warrington so you'll doing anything to prove it) You may have won more if he'd stayed and been an even better side?
Also if my Aunty had balls Etc?
Pure Speculation.
You guys are happy with your team, were happy with ours.
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