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Quote: nikos "any mention of Hock?'"


IL stated that he nor the club would make a statement until the process had run it's course - the next stage takes place on the 21st August.

I got the impression from earlier comments that IL made that the club are looking for a possible future return by Hock.

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Sounds like we're in for big things in 2011 then and if IL doesn't deliver he will have no excuses.

Presumably Noble wants to go to Oz at the end of next season then?

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Quote: Bert's Medal "I was very impressed with IL last night.

My impression last season was that he was personally trying to do everything at the club & didn't have the support in place - he now has the likes of Mick Hogan, Simon Collinson etc as part of his management team and I believe that the club is in very good hands going forward.

Some highlights from last night (apologies if some have already been covered) were:

- We are currently looking at a £150k loss for the season, although a Wembley appearance is worth £250k, so we could be looking at a £100k profit,

- Lenagan's (& the RFL's) clear priority going forward is developing high quality young players,

- At present, we have signed no new players for next season. Wigan had looked at around 6 props and various other overseas players - £150k a year ago equated to around Aus$400k, it is now worth Aus$295k. Because RL is so popular in Australia, many of the top aussie players have lucrative media and promotional contracts, which they cannot get in the UK, therefore, making it more difficult to attract them. Lenagan did due dilligence on a number of players and decided that there were negative issues attached that meant that they were not worth the outlay or risk. Certain other club's lack of due dilligence may have interesting results. IL did state the obvious, that with Feka and Fielden off-contract at the end of the 2010 season, there could be a huge wedge of SC money available to sign props (IF Feka and Fielden were not re-signed),

- Before Mick Hogan came to Wigan, the club did not have a Foundation scheme (linked to work in the community etc). We now have - Warrington have 24 fulltime staff attached to theirs and it is worth £1m per year to their club! Part of the community work involves links to an Educational Academy, where Wigan are looking to have a RL Centre of Excellence at which the U18s and U20s will train etc.

- Sponsorship - Wigan have signed up 5 new sponsors in the past 12 months......Mecca Bingo, UCLAN, Warburtons, Ashton, Wigan & Leigh PCT plus 1 other. We are at an advanced stage in negotiating for the major shirt sponsor for next season, with Mecca being one of the companies that we are negotiating with. Not having this sponsorship in place pre-Christmas (& the lack of the JJB Sports pipeline) seriously affected our ability to shift shirts, with around 8k being sold this season compared to the expected 16k - although a Wembley appearance this season will help to address this! Since Wigan signed up Mecca, around 50% of SL clubs have also contacted them about sponsorship,

- Scouting - I won't repeat the Chorley Panthers scenario that was very well put as a question to IL (I know that it is covered earlier in this thread). IL agreed that scouting needed to be improved, but that over the past 12 months it had not been a priority owing to everything else at the club,

- Quins - IL still owns 65% of the shares at Quins, but has no active interest whatsoever in the club, although a soft spot for them. He is trying to sell the shares,

- Individual players - IL would not comment on individual players (questions were asked about Pryce, Fielden etc) other than to say that he believed that, with recovery and conditioning, Pryce could turn out to be a world class player and that he hopes that Fielden will perform well over the remainder of this season and next),

- Fanbase - No decision has yet been made on season ticket prices for next season (Hudds slashed the price of season tickets by 50%, but this only resulted in a 3% increase in attendances!). Mick Hogan outlined that Wigan intend to target youngsters ("the next generation of life-long Wigan fans"icon_wink.gif. He quoted an interesting statistic that I won't quote on here to avoid trolling (if you are a Wigan fan, PM me if you want to know!),

- Partnership with an Aussie NRL club - Wigan expect this to happen in the next 12 months & are trying to attach Mark Flannagan to a club for the next 12 to 24 months, hoping that he will then return to Wigan. The idea is to loan young players between the clubs as part of their development, with Wigan's young players being able to play Toyota Cup or even NRL - I had to laugh at the guy sat behind me who shouted "tell them to loan us Lockyer"
Cheers for that.

Cant believe people are complaining about IL doing due dilligence on players. Just because he goes over to Aus to look for players, doesnt mean he has to sign someone. Vialiki any one?

Do we really want to sign players on the back of promotional videos and agent talk, surley people remember Doc Murray!

With regards, the players, I personnally dont have a problem with calling bad performances/play, but to single out people and have a go, is not on.

Whilst I dont think Karl Pryce is as good as some do, I certainly didnt think it was a good thing when he went down injured. Did i question his attitude, yes of course i did, but we all want (or i hope we do) the same thing, and that is a successfull wigan side.

Lets try something novel, next time a poster goes a bit overboard on the personall front, someone have a quiet word. Is this in the remit of the moderators? By no means stop people critiquing play, but some of the things said about certain non wigan born players is beyond the pale

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The forums certanly seem to be serving their purpose both for the club and the supporters that attend.

Things appear more positively after the forums have taken place and in the short term that can only be a good thing in terms of P.R. but at the same time can be disastourous if the club fail to deliver longer term.

However the news that the coaching situation for 2010 has not progressed is a concern.

Did anyone mention Stephen Kearney and if we made an approach?

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Quote: jonh "No what i am saying is the fans are not a primarry influence, kid yourself all you want but a direct sphere of influence has way more influence than a fan, yet it seems again like the Pirtek deal the fans are being blamed for failures in other aspect of the clubs running.'"


John you're wrong on this one. As a musician (not dissimmilar to sportsmen egarding this point) the reaction of the people you are playing for is of paramount importance regarding performance.

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Quote: Sharpy_4a "Cant believe people are complaining about IL doing due dilligence on players. Just because he goes over to Aus to look for players, doesnt mean he has to sign someone. Vialiki any one? '"


Did he do due dilligence on Tim Smith, Karl Pryce and Martin Gleeson prior to them signing? All seem to have either off-filed or injury issues to me.

Sounds like an excuse to me.

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Quote: Phuzzy "John you're wrong on this one. As a musician (not dissimmilar to sportsmen egarding this point) the reaction of the people you are playing for is of paramount importance regarding performance.'"


If you have the confidence and backing of your conductor and your bandmates surely the rantings of a few mindless idiots would not put you off.

To claim i am wrong point blank is a bit silly, as everyone has different experiences and personality traits.

What i am saying is if someone really is put off by a few boo boys despite having the full confidence of the coach, team mates and club they are not and should not be playing for Wigan RLFC, they do not have the temperament for playing at one of the biggest names in the game.

You can have all the skill in the world but if your confidence is so frail a few muppets giving you grief affects your performance you have high anxiety traits and will probably never perform to the level you are able to.

If the coach and club is doing its job giving the players confidence, which it seems in certain cases they are not, then the boo boys should not be a problem and should be disregarded as morons with a loud voice, nothing more nothing less, if they get to a player the coach and the club is not doing there job correctly.

As i said earlier smoke and mirrors for me, a case of deflecting the blame away from the actual fact of the matter.

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Quote: Herb Narvo "Did he do due dilligence on Tim Smith, Karl Pryce and Martin Gleeson prior to them signing? All seem to have either off-filed or injury issues to me.

Sounds like an excuse to me.'"


Three things here. Firstly, I don't see how you can include Martin Gleeson in that list. Secondly, the club was very open that both Smith and Pryce were potentially problematic signings, and their contracts reflected this. Thirdly, anyone who carries out due diligence before making a major investment is NOT making excuses. They're taking a very sensible precaution.

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Quote: Phuzzy "John you're wrong on this one. As a musician (not dissimmilar to sportsmen egarding this point) the reaction of the people you are playing for is of paramount importance regarding performance.'"


Sean Long doesnt seem to have a problem when he gets booed.

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Quote: Abe Frohman "Sean Long doesnt seem to have a problem when he gets booed.'"


He's largely not being vilified by his own fans though is he?

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Quote: MattyB "Mark Flanagan is off to Aus with his GF who has just got a job over there.'"

His GrandFather?

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IL does due diligence to find out about players.
Bill Shankley used to asked once he had a lads name who he knew could play a bit, "Aye, but what's the lad really like?"
Same process,
Different generation,
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Quote: Father Ted "IL does due diligence to find out about players.
Bill Shankley used to asked once he had a lads name who he knew could play a bit, "Aye, but what's the lad really like?"
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i guess the proof of the pudding will be in the tasting when we see how players like O'Meley and Tronc go in SL.

Personally again i am still of the opinion there has been a bit of an error of judgement and we may have put all our eggs in one basket in Webb despite the massive risks involved in him getting/not getting as the case may be a visa.

More worryingly is the fact IFL continues to put dates to when we can expect a major impact/shift in signings this now seems to have moved for 2009 to 2010 to 2011. Sometimes less is more why he feels the need to build up the hopes of the fans then move the goal posts is beyond me. In cases like this i think its time he learned to not put such a specific time scale on things.

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Quote: jonh "If you have the confidence and backing of your conductor and your bandmates surely the rantings of a few mindless idiots would not put you off.

To claim i am wrong point blank is a bit silly, as everyone has different experiences and personality traits.

What i am saying is if someone really is put off by a few boo boys despite having the full confidence of the coach, team mates and club they are not and should not be playing for Wigan RLFC, they do not have the temperament for playing at one of the biggest names in the game.

You can have all the skill in the world but if your confidence is so frail a few muppets giving you grief affects your performance you have high anxiety traits and will probably never perform to the level you are able to.

If the coach and club is doing its job giving the players confidence, which it seems in certain cases they are not, then the boo boys should not be a problem and should be disregarded as morons with a loud voice, nothing more nothing less, if they get to a player the coach and the club is not doing there job correctly.

As i said earlier smoke and mirrors for me, a case of deflecting the blame away from the actual fact of the matter.'"


I don't consider having your name "boo-ed" by your own fans when it's announced as insignificant, do you? Nor the same fans cheering when you get injured. If you do, then there is no further discussion worthy of having.

As for claiming that my saying 'you are wrong' as being "a bit silly" all I can say is this. I know literally hundreds (if not thousands) of performers. I don't know a single one for whom the reaction of their fans has no bearing. It really doesn't matter if your bandmates think you're the best thing since sliced bread if your own fans are booing you. If you think it shouldn't matter I can safely say once again "you are wrong". Of course you could argue that your own single opinion has more validity than my own real world experience, as well as that of all my collegues. I prefer to think their (and in this case my) opinions carry more weight.

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