we are no where near fit enough also

He's the reason the score stayed respectable.Could have quite easily have been 40 pts difference..

give over, although you did look 40 points better he gave you the rub of the green all day

The video referee didn't Pieman and some of the calls aided you...You've forgotten to mention the crusher tackle only a yellow card and not a red.

he will get banned so will be fine, only 1 I saw that was dubious is Hurrells, although he did lose control with his hand but carried on with the arm, any others he got wrong? What about the strip when we put you under pressure? lifted straight away, what about Passi eunning into Tommy and you getting the penalty?....nothing?

Lol what????

The Powell crusher was a red for me but other than that I thought you got the rub of the green, looked a forward pass for the Lomax try, I didn’t think Batchelors was a try, 3 blatant ball steals that got given knock ons, one of which would have been a try.
To me it felt we were some way off you today especially second half but we only lost by 18 and you could make a decent case for 2 of your try’s being chalked off and for certain one more for us.

Very touchy about saints for a wire fan

We are not as far off as some are suggesting.

The main difference for me today was composure. As they have many times over the last few years the penalties, 6 against and unforced errors are what cost us today.

We threatened and created chances, got a bit of bad luck and a few crucial decisions didn’t go our way.

I found the Hurrell VR no try a bold decision. I’ve argued time and time again when a player loses control of the ball (which he clearly did) it shouldn’t be given. That said, under the way it seems to be interpreted there was no separation proven in the replays so I’m surprised it wasn’t given.

It’s a great shame it didn’t go to the VR at the start of the second half.

For those who are saying Miski can’t run, he did today, for 165 meters.

Every one of those lacked purpose. He's a winger who can't catch or finish at this level. I'd sooner that than stats a forward can produce.

Doing the hard yards isn't really Miski's job.

It's part of it, but he's risky under the high ball and lacks the speed to go over from anywhere other than close to the line. For me, those are big drawbacks for a winger.

As with Bibby, it's harsh calling out individuals after a defeat where, from half way through the first half, organisation collapsed and everyone fell onto the back foot, and it's especially harsh when they're outside backs who are getting rubbish service because the pack is being steamrollered. But I genuinely don't think that players like Miski or Bibby are any use to us.

I don't know what the cash situation at the club is, but while some of these bargain buys do come good, the majority don't. I don't even rate Isa that highly. A model player supposedly, but if so, he's rarely notable on the field unless it's for bombing passes or incurring penalties. If we've got money to spend and cap-space to wriggle in, I feel we need to go out there and look for much higher quality replacements.

You can't keep relying on players of this low standard if you want to compete with the likes of Saints.

For me we as fans needed to see where the side is when compared to the current best in SL in saints,they are no point moaning about it they are compared toast season wigan have improved but are a long way away from them,the stupidity of prolonging the Lam era has given them time to canter away I can easy see them winning the lot this season.

Miski always was an odd player to sign taking a quota spot (I'm right in thinking that aren't I?)then they,for me have to be Bob on the money from.the off he looks way off and is fragile under the high ball but he will have to be given time I suppose.

But can they stop the NRL come a calling that's the question I suppose for Saints in the medium term if they can they will rule the roost for a good few years yet

We’re not too far off but were definitely beaten by the better team, the best team in the competition. We matched them for the first twenty or twenty five minutes but, after that, our intensity fell away (not by much but enough to not have a chance of winning the game) and theirs just steamrollered on.

These last few seasons, I’ve looked at Saints’ players and they’re all big, athletic lads in most positions. They’re physically well built and they look like athletes. Welsby, Makinson, Percival, Walmsley, Lees, Batchelor, Knowles, Lussick and Wingfield all fall into this category. They, also, have great engines.

If Saints were to look at buying any of our players to fit the above mentioned attributes, I could only see them considering Havard, Hardaker, Ellis, Smithies, and Pearce-Paul. In reality, they would probably only go for Havard and Pearce-Paul. The rest of our lads, whilst having plenty of plus points, simply don’t fit the type of player Saints seem to either develop or recruit.

When we lost to Roosters in 2014, the remit was then to go for size. We’re still not there yet.

I feel like with the state of the pack we'll never get the best out of Havard. He’s got a great engine but lacks physical dominance in defence, which I wish he had. In Saints’ side or an NRL side he’d be world class.

You’re right there Danny. He’s still young, though, and has time (hopefully) to bulk up a fair bit.