get back to your own board

I wouldn’t say accused, I think it’s well proven.

He also played in every single game in 2017, whilst other props were missing games left right and centre. Not saying he was a world beater in anyway in 2017 but i will he was clearly homesick but stuck it out and was crucified by sections of fans who at the same time sang BFUT’s name from the terraces after 2 off the ball tackles, 4 missed tackles and 2 carries. Bullock has performed better so far but i will remind you that the signing was ridiculed on here at the time.

I hope that we already have Bourouh and Roden tied down as they look like proper modern hookers.

Sorry yes, it was ‘Post’ who said Dudson > Bullock

Dudson weren’t a bad player, I’d have him now over Bullock. Not that Bullock is poor, he’s half decent. Think it was Dudson discipline on and off the field particularly with diet that was his down side.i heard Wane had to ban him from Kebab King in Wigan at one point.

Moral of the story is the 2013 squad was better in quality than his years, I think we are 2 stars short. We are definitely 1 short as we have a spare marquee spot.

I would suggest that most teams squad was better in 2013 than it is today.

Go further back than that and the Wigan side of 2000 is better than most of our title winning sides and they won nothing.

It's an interesting point that's open for discussion. For what it's worth I think you're right.

I'd agree too.

I've always argued that whilst the price of a ticket has increased slightly, the on-field product has decreased at an alarming rate. That for me is why fans stay away. 20 years ago Saints Vs Wigan was full of world class players, but sadly it isn't the case anymore. More people choose the easy option of watching at the pub as the entertainment factor over the course of the night is far better imo.

That might be a self filling prophecy, in that the less fans that go to the games, then the less money the game has. All in all that equals an even worse product on the field.

Definitely, if you go on RedVee some of the Saints fans think this current team is the second coming of the '82 Kangaroos, where as IMO they'd get mullered by their Sculthorpe era team.

Summer rugby hasn't helped, in that the window of opportunity to sign top class Aussies, during the antipodean winter, has now gone. I believe that home grown players benefited from the experience of playing with and against the likes of Lewis, Sterling, Kenny, Maninga etc.

20 years ago in 1999 we averaged 9,200. Our crowds currently are well in advance of that but well down on our crowds of the Maguire years and early Wane years. We’re just crying out for some excitement and buzz. That can come from a new coach with fresh ideas and a new style of play, exciting new players playing entertaining rugby etc but currently we don’t have that and on the back of what people felt was grinding rugby league for the last few years and a lack of investment our crowds are going one way.