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Quote: NickyKiss "The environment seems so different at the club now to the one in the days of the likes of Burgess and Williams. There was that group of 5 mates (Burgess, Gildart, Sutton, Bateman and Williams) who just seemed to think of Wigan as a stepping stone to bigger and better things and that is unsettling (as well as ridiculous). It's been a positive in seeing that sort of mindset leave the club and to now have a group of players who seem to be fully aware that pulling on that shirt is a privilege not to be taken for granted.

It's very rare that leaving Wigan for any club is a step up.'"


Really good observation. Everyone who's interviewed now from Wigan reference the history and tradition of the club and wanting to form part of that history going forward. It's not just the younger players coming through but also the Aussies who traditionally would have been here for a few years to make their name then go back to 'bigger things' in the NRL and players from other clubs like Cooper and Leeming who recognise the special culture created by Peet and Rads and the special history of eth club - especially how they recognise, look after and involve past players. THat's they type of club I want to be at - where you're not just forgotten when you stop playing for them.

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At the game, you could see Junior was out for the count immediately and i was top row of the stretford

however, i do think people are going over the top on Burgess. There were 3 HKR players who all dropped onto Junior, and in a split second i dont think they realised he was out for the count, and i dont think there was too much in it (i have watched the game back too). It took Hiku a moment to realise that he was out for the count as he was getting up

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Quote: Mark_P1973 "At the game, you could see Junior was out for the count immediately and i was top row of the stretford

however, i do think people are going over the top on Burgess. There were 3 HKR players who all dropped onto Junior, and in a split second i dont think they realised he was out for the count, and i dont think there was too much in it (i have watched the game back too). It took Hiku a moment to realise that he was out for the count as he was getting up'"


I don't think it was as brutal a strike as the Ben Flower one, but we're supposed to be in a climate where any deliberate head contact is an instant card.

Personally, I'm glad Budgie didn't get his marching orders, because that would have been offered as a reason for our victory. But it still needs calling out by the MRP.

Also, there was something a bit sneaky about it ... it was the ultimate cheap shot, so some degree of humiliation of the offender is required for that too.

As Sky Sports' behaviour ... well, that also needs an explanation (aside from them being well and truly on the Hull KR bandwagon), but I doubt there's any point in Wigan holding their breath.

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Quote: Cruncher "I don't think it was as brutal a strike as the Ben Flower one, but we're supposed to be in a climate where any deliberate head contact is an instant card.

Personally, I'm glad Budgie didn't get his marching orders, because that would have been offered as a reason for our victory. But it still needs calling out by the MRP.

Also, there was something a bit sneaky about it ... it was the ultimate cheap shot, so some degree of humiliation of the offender is required for that too.

As Sky Sports' behaviour ... well, that also needs an explanation (aside from them being well and truly on the Hull KR bandwagon), but I doubt there's any point in Wigan holding their breath.'"


I put the full replay of the coverage on this morning for the first time. They mentioned the Hull KR following 6 times in the first half hour of the programme. I'm not sure if any Wigan fans actually went to the game.

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i could be in the minority of 1 on this one

got the game on now on Wigan TV, and literally just watched it again and dont see much wrong with the 3 HKR players who complete the tackle (giving them the benefit of the doubt as they were just finishing off a tackle). Burgess does touch Junior on the head, but i dont think there is anything in it, and it certainly wasnt the reason he was down

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Quote: NickyKiss "I put the full replay of the coverage on this morning for the first time. They mentioned the Hull KR following 6 times in the first half hour of the programme. I'm not sure if any Wigan fans actually went to the game.'"

To be fair I didn't notice any around us. Just thousands of KR fans wearing Cherry and White eusa_think.gif icon_lol.gif

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Quote: Mark_P1973 ". Burgess does touch Junior on the head, but i dont think there is anything in it, and it certainly wasnt the reason he was down'"


As an FC fan I am probably going to be more biased than anyone else on here but just pay close attention to what Burgess does again.

His fist is clenched and he lands his fist and forearm on the temple of Nsemba laid prone on the ground.

Now I’m not sure if Nsemba was already out cold or not but Burgess knew exactly what he was doing for mine and it was an attempt to take out one of your major dangers?

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I won't comment on the Burgess incident, as most have already commented and I take the same opinion as the majority. In response to the SKY bias towards Rovers, its been weird living in the City (being a Hull fan), and the fanfare about Rovers, even schools doing Red & White days. Needless to say, my Son went in his FC shirt

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Quote: Irregs#16 "I won't comment on the Burgess incident, as most have already commented and I take the same opinion as the majority. In response to the SKY bias towards Rovers, its been weird living in the City (being a Hull fan), and the fanfare about Rovers, even schools doing Red & White days. Needless to say, my Son went in his FC shirt'"


The weirdest comments I saw about HKR were from Barrie McDermott, who compared them on Saturday to that Leeds side going in to it's first Grand Final and how it lead to a sustained period of success. I don't think they could be any further apart. I really like what HKR are doing, the owners are showing ambition and making good decisions but currently it's quite short term planning that is going on. That Leeds side was packed full of lads who had come through their academy and who were at the very start of long careers with the club. HKR have one player who has come through the ranks and are signing players at the ages of 36/37 years old. It all looks geared to getting success 'now' and unless they can really accelerate bringing some juniors through, I don't see how it can be sustainable.

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Quote: NickyKiss "The weirdest comments I saw about HKR were from Barrie McDermott, who compared them on Saturday to that Leeds side going in to it's first Grand Final and how it lead to a sustained period of success. I don't think they could be any further apart. I really like what HKR are doing, the owners are showing ambition and making good decisions but currently it's quite short term planning that is going on. That Leeds side was packed full of lads who had come through their academy and who were at the very start of long careers with the club. HKR have one player who has come through the ranks and are signing players at the ages of 36/37 years old. It all looks geared to getting success 'now' and unless they can really accelerate bringing some juniors through, I don't see how it can be sustainable.'"


I agree, in fact the only reason Mikey Lewis is in a KR shirt, is because FC had first pick from the the joint academy one year, and we went for Connor Wynne instead of Lewis as Radford was big mates with Wynne's dad!

KR have even tried to sign some of the Hull academy lads this season - Callum Kemp and Ryan Westerman who made their debut in the last game of the season. Despite our shocking season, FC are closer to emulating Leeds - with us trying to build up our academy kids into first teamers, supplemented with some experience. Be interesting to see which approach brings a trophy first!

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No charge for Burgess, but a Grade E for Hiku for lifting Nsembas arm! FFS.

Grade B for Thompson for the late hit on Minchella

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Quote: TonyM19 "No charge for Burgess, but a Grade E for Hiku for lifting Nsembas arm! FFS.

Grade B for Thompson for the late hit on Minchella'"


I suppose any admission that there was a serious incident which went unpunished on the field would be an indirect criticism of their Grand Final referee.

It doesn't matter. This kind of petty corruption used to happen all the time back in the glory days. It makes it all the more pleasing when we put their favoured sons to the sword out there on the field of honour.

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I actually really feel for Hiku here. He was the first Rovers player to notice that Nsemba was out and looked genuinely distraught and concerned for him. I don't think that he or Batchelor did anything wrong. It was just bad luck, it happens in a physical game. Burgess, on the other hand did seem to me to be at least reckless in the way he went in.

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How does Harry Smith pick up a 3 match ban for a forearm to a prone player, Hiku himself get nothing for similar on Field because "he missed" but Burgess gets nothing despite both being late and making contact?!?

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Just checked the Hiku 'contact' on Nsemba. How is that a grade E? It's not like he's trying to drag him to his feet or anything. He just looks concerned.

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