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| Quote: Ruddy Duck "Seeing that you have said more or less the same thing on the Wigan Fans website, perhaps you can explain in your opinion why any Coach at Wigan needs to win a trophy or else when there is more to being a Head Coach of the club'"
Not sure when I'm bothering to waste my time to respond to your obvious trolling, but here we go anyway...
That all depends on the expectations of the club. Finals and semi finals aren't good enough for a club like Wigan unfortunately.
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| Quote: MattyB "You make a good point there. Should Lam not win one of the two major trophies next season would it put him in the same category as Brian Noble? Or worse?
Let's look at where we were when Noble came in and rescued us
As long as you're getting to a certain minimum standard week-to-week, our system all comes down to how you perform in knockout games. On that basis, despite not taking us to a final, I'd have Noble ahead of Lam so far.
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Noble's Wigan as favourites (ignoring non-SL opposition) - W2 L1
Lam's Wigan as favourites - W2 L2
Noble's Wigan as equal or underdog - W8 L5
Lam's Wigan as equal or underdog - W0 L2
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| Quote: Grimmy "As long as you're getting to a certain minimum standard week-to-week, our system all comes down to how you perform in knockout games. '"
I think performance in the weekly rounds is something that, rightly or wrongly, gets overlooked. In many ways you make your own luck by being consistently good. Saints have proven that consistency, week to week, invariably returns a trophy.
I want to win trophies, but I also don't want to feel like the weekly rounds aren't somehow important (especially when fans are in the stands). We as fans shouldn't accept anything less than the best from the players.
Lam has earned his new deal after the CC semi. The week to week consistency we've seen recently is now the benchmark imo.
Also I'm very reluctant to talk about being entertained. For me the GF was the most entertaining game this season, but we only saw two tries. Entrainment is subjective, so you can only really judge on win/loss and trophies.
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| Quote: sergeant pepper "
I want to win trophies, but I also don't want to feel like the weekly rounds aren't somehow important (especially when fans are in the stands). We as fans shouldn't accept anything less than the best from the players..'"
I used to feel like that under Wane, but it usually resulted in winning trophies.
It's a tough call really. Play like Cas in 2017 but win nothing, or accept a few lacklustre displays and take the big prize at the end?
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[quote="Frank Zappa":1sacjrvf]Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe.[/quote:1sacjrvf]
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| Quote: sergeant pepper "I think performance in the weekly rounds is something that, rightly or wrongly, gets overlooked. In many ways you make your own luck by being consistently good. Saints have proven that consistency, week to week, invariably returns a trophy. '"
Would that be the same Saints who finished in the top 2 every year from 07-10 and got zero Grand Final wins to show for it? Of course we want to win every game but the system we have means you have to be able to raise your game/not choke in those knockout games or you come out with nothing but a hubcap. We have seen Leeds do it in the past and win a lot of silverware, Wane's Wigan likewise. That's where I'm questioning Lam based on his record so far. What do the players say every year when they win the LLS? "This is nice but it means nothing unless we go and win the Grand Final."
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| Quote: Grimmy "Would that be the same Saints who finished in the top 2 every year from 07-10 and got zero Grand Final wins to show for it? Of course we want to win every game but the system we have means you have to be able to raise your game/not choke in those knockout games or you come out with nothing but a hubcap. We have seen Leeds do it in the past and win a lot of silverware, Wane's Wigan likewise. That's where I'm questioning Lam based on his record so far. What do the players say every year when they win the LLS? "This is nice but it means nothing unless we go and win the Grand Final."'"
That Saints team won the CC in 2008, but outside of that - Is that side an anomaly? You could probably make a case for it. Us, Wire, Leeds and the current Saints side have all, at some point, had a period of consistency that's resulted in trophy wins.
There's more it it than just luck of the playoffs. If you're consistently a good team, then history proves (apart from one side) that you'll win a trophy or two.
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| Quote: Egg Chasing "I used to feel like that under Wane, but it usually resulted in winning trophies.
It's a tough call really. Play like Cas in 2017 but win nothing, or accept a few lacklustre displays and take the big prize at the end?'"
It's a difficult one. I'd still argue that if you can be consistently good, over a period longer than one season (two min, possibly three) then you'll win a trophy. You can't be a flash in the pan like Cas or Hudds a few seasons before that.
The two seasons under Madge were the modern pinnacle imo. We had weekly consistency and one trophy each season. I could stomach the playoff defeat in his last season as, not only had I enjoyed the week to week rugby, 50% of the prizes + one hub cap went to us.
I'll say it again - if you're consistent week in and week out, then you won't be far off one of the two big prizes.
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| Quote: Egg Chasing "I used to feel like that under Wane, but it usually resulted in winning trophies.
It's a tough call really. Play like Cas in 2017 but win nothing, or accept a few lacklustre displays and take the big prize at the end?'"
This is the reason why I'm not happy with this announcement. Wane got us to do just enough to win, with the odd bad match through the regular season and win at the end. Lam is the same, but with no trophy.
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| Quote: Suzy Banyon "This is the reason why I'm not happy with this announcement. Wane got us to do just enough to win, with the odd bad match through the regular season and win at the end. Lam is the same, but with no trophy.'"
I do think given the issues this year and the signs at the end he deserves one more crack, but he should be judged at the end of the season on trophies won alone. Another semi/final loss won't be good enough I don't think.
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| Will we wipe the floor with the rest of the league next season? No. But who else is available apart from Lam is the question
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CHALLENGE CUP FINAL WINNERS 2002, 2011, 2013, 2022 & 2024
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| Is it as simple as 'win nowt you're out' though?
Unless we are terrible from the start of the season right through to the end it doesn't give IL/KR much time to look for, approach and seal a deal with a solid replacement.
Say we perform well through the season, lose the cup final then get into the playoffs but lose the GF (costing Lam his new one year extension). Only gives us three months to secure a replacement, unless feelers are put out in advance? What's the chances of a decent replacement being available in such a short window of time as well?
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| So winning the league leaders shield is not rated as an achievement in Lenagan's eyes. Not sure if he rates the challenge cup, so Mr Lam, "we win the Grand Final, or on yer bike !" Nice....
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| Quote: Kennedy "So winning the league leaders shield is not rated as an achievement in Lenagan's eyes. Not sure if he rates the challenge cup, so Mr Lam, "we win the Grand Final, or on yer bike !" Nice....
He does rate the Challenge Cup, said on many times its a prestigious trophy that the club has a long history with. It also brings in a lot more revenue (under normal circumstances) than winning the GF.
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| Quote: MattyB "Is it as simple as 'win nowt you're out' though?
Unless we are terrible from the start of the season right through to the end it doesn't give IL/KR much time to look for, approach and seal a deal with a solid replacement.
Say we perform well through the season, lose the cup final then get into the playoffs but lose the GF (costing Lam his new one year extension). Only gives us three months to secure a replacement, unless feelers are put out in advance? What's the chances of a decent replacement being available in such a short window of time as well?'"
I think if we go out of the cup in a respectable performance against Saints/Wire/Leeds then he keeps his job but the application process begins at that point, he can apply too. That way we could have all the interviews done and dusted before the play offs, and make the decision straight after the season is done.
Having said that, I remember Noble announcing he was leaving straight after we went out of the play offs in 09. I don't know whether that was because IL made the decision before that point (thus knowing he was getting rid of a coach who may win the Grand Final), or whether they had an understanding that his contract wouldn't be renewed unless Wigan won the Grand Final.
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| I'm not sure why people are feeling sorry for Lam?
ATEOTD he's got the job and all he has to do to keep it, is to be successful - that's what being the head coach at Wigan is all about.
IL isn't an idiot. If we get loads of injuries, then he'll factor that in. If Lam makes us a success then he'll keep his job.
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