The last time it rained when these two sides met Wigan won at Knowsley Road.

The conditions have not helped Saints the last three Grand Finals.

I don't think you can say he conditions would be an advantage/disadvantage for any side. They're the same for both teams.

Saints do have big game experience, but so do we. Yes, in recent years they've appeared in more finals, but so had Leeds (as Geoff rightly points out).

No excuses.

True, but you can add Wilkin/Soliola/Emmitt to that pack, and a far better kicking game in the shape of Matty Smith.

We've been forced to play conservative rugby recently given the absentees and we've adapted to it very well. It wasn't our cup of tea in previous years and it cost us; this year we are well versed in up the jumper and good kick rugby (much as it pains me to say it as a Saints fan . . . . )

Lets face it Saints have more recent big match Grand Final experience than us.

They know how to lose, whereas we are novices and means we will only know how to win.

I suppose we will just have to settle for that. Oh well, there's always next year.

No arrogance from any right-minded Saints fan, Wigan are the favourites going into the game for me; by finishing top, you have proved all season you are the team to beat.

From my point of view I just hope the lads turn up and give it everything and we get the odd bounce of the ball which we haven't in the past 3 Grand Finals. I think we're due a bit of good fortune.

A great occasion, 2 great clubs, I just hope we get the result cos it's gonna hurt whoever loses this one.

come on now mate, the point is very clear

you say you have had this "issue" with your halves making you an incredible team that "no other team" could have achieved.

OK fair enough thats a point of view.

But you then go on to say that you win whether Saints win the final or not.

Thats not a prediction, its covering ones ass.

So we are asking you, if Wigan win, will St Helens have lost, yes or no ?

Its just a simple question about that one question, as until now, all you have done is cover your bases.

I haven't said we're an incredible team, I've said I'm proud of what we've done this year regardless of the result on Saturday.



What are you on about? Why do I have to predict who will win? Why can't I be proud of the team regardless?



You're right, it's a very simple question from a very simple poster.

hmm so you turn to insults, when asked who you think will win the final ?

Classy, but we know a lot of your fans are like this, it puts shame to the good ones, but hey ho, its proof for the ones who doubted what we were saying.

Lol im sick of all you lot its gonna be a great game, you cant call it who knows what will happen

If we knew the result it would be boring, bring on Saturday!

This x, that y is irrelevant once the whistle goes

What a stupid thread. There is no talk of this at all.

It is a hard game to call and either side could win. St. Helens do have the experience in this environment which could help them against a less experienced side but the flip side of that is many of our youngsters will have no fear and play their hearts out whereas our older, experienced players who have been waiting for years to finally make it to a final after so many semi final defeats will push on and want to win for themselves more than anything.

The same can also be said for Saints but perhaps to a lesser degree. Either way, there is no point arguing about it as the scoreline is 0-0 and still will be until about 8:00PM Saturday evening - I for one cant wait.

thats pretty much all was being said to the lad x and y arent the key, yet he seems very reluctant to make a prediction, and instead seemed to wish to go to insults

I did see his location is down south, so that explains a bit, cos we all know how important it is to them not to be wrong about anything, what with the joneses and that