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Games as big as Grand Finals define individuals and clubs. Remember, we only rent these journeys. In my time I had Pat Richard's shirt. Ellery Hanley had Sean O'Loughlin's jersey. Sam Tomkins is wearing Radders' number one jersey. Andy Coley is wearing Shaun Wayne's jersey. You have to make a mark in these shirts before you hand it down to someone else. Hand it back. So be aware for 80 minutes that you are not only playing, but you are also writing history and creating legacy. How many people actually write history - not many? A big stage demands big players…..INSPIRE YOUR TEAM MATES.
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| Quote: Sharpy_4a "No he should have been and was banned to the extent of the law, I honestly dont think anyone believes hock took it as a steriod!
Anyone taking steriods by any mean intentional or not is responsible for what passes through their body, I said kc should have never played again, i said hudson should never have played again and i say newton should never be allowed to play again.
However hocks is and was a completley different thing so he should be allowed back after his ban, as a driver would after being caught drink driving.
ps also if the player in question was wearing cherry and white i would still say they should never play again.'"
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| Quote: Sharpy_4a "However hocks is and was a completley different thing so he should be allowed back after his ban, as a driver would after being caught drink driving.'"
Aside from the fact that using cocaine is actually illegal, so he broke the law, like I said earlier, there is a metabolite in cocaine which is [iperformance enhancing[/i. Whether it is a steroid or not is irrelevant, since steroids are only one form of performance enhancing drug. There are many different forms of performance enhancing drug and all of them are on the banned list, in addition to other drugs which create risk to the players themselves and to other players (and that includes alcohol). |
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| Quote: SaintsFan "Aside from the fact that using cocaine is actually illegal, so he broke the law, like I said earlier, there is a metabolite in cocaine which is [iperformance enhancing[/i. Whether it is a steroid or not is irrelevant, since steroids are only one form of performance enhancing drug. There are many different forms of performance enhancing drug and all of them are on the banned list, in addition to other drugs which create risk to the players themselves and to other players (and that includes alcohol).'"
You seriously think people take cocaine to enhance performance??  |
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cocaine used to be taken regularly as a performance enhancer...especially in cycling, and the Tour de France.
It is possibly not the best way to enhance performance, and im sure players dont take it to enhance performance, but there is no doubt that it gives a "boost" to the body (why else would they do it???).
WADA classify cocaine as performance enhancing in-competition.
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| Quote: MadDogg "Well, I guess there's something to be said for owning up to his actions.'"
just a shame that he had to get caught before he "owned up". |
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I've seen them bomb a quarter final, bottle a semi final, finish as league leaders, but I've still, never, seen the Wire win the league
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shame it takes saints speccies to talk sense on this board, and you can quote me on that cos this hock things has been ridiculous all along.
wiganers want to argue semantics when effectively we are standing by a drugs cheat! you cannot get away from that fact, especially if hock is in any way shape or form still receiving cash from the club. and if he's not can i be the first to ask where his salary has gone? deacon must be on one hell of a wage!
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SAINTS THE ORIGINAL AND PERENNIAL CHEATS
For sale full Saints kit (circa 1989). Shirts in pristine condition, but shorts badly soiled.
For 27 - 0 you get a trophy
For 75 - 0 you get sod all.
Wigan had eight in a row
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Hock is getting nothing from the club.
Some of the younger players contracts have been increased.
Didn't IL state at the fans forum that money was still there if the right player became available.
Hock has made a mistake and is paying for it. IF he stays clean then there should be no reason why he can't play again.
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Mugwump mocking mental illness for a second time -
"You are mentally ill and I can't indulge your madness any more"
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| Quote: SaintsFan "Aside from the fact that using cocaine is actually illegal, so he broke the law, like I said earlier, there is a metabolite in cocaine which is [iperformance enhancing[/i. Whether it is a steroid or not is irrelevant, since steroids are only one form of performance enhancing drug. There are many different forms of performance enhancing drug and all of them are on the banned list, in addition to other drugs which create risk to the players themselves and to other players (and that includes alcohol).'"
Hock did a interview for one of the sunday papers. He said he knows he's made a huge mistake. He said he took coke because he was with the wrong crowd.
He took it to get high, not play better. |
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Mugwump mocking mental illness for a second time -
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Utter disgusting abusive remark from a keyboard warrior:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_44308.gif |
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| Quote: Rogues Gallery "Hock is getting nothing from the club.
Some of the younger players contracts have been increased.
Didn't IL state at the fans forum that money was still there if the right player became available.
Hock has made a mistake and is paying for it. IF he stays clean then there should be no reason why he can't play again.'"
I have no doubt hock will be back when his bans up. That is how it should be, he got caught, served the time.
I for one would have no problem taking hock to saints when his bans up. As long sa he proves he's clean he should be able to get on with playing rugby. |
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| Quote: Rogues Gallery "Hock is getting nothing from the club.
Some of the younger players contracts have been increased.
Didn't IL state at the fans forum that money was still there if the right player became available.
Hock has made a mistake and is paying for it. IF he stays clean then there should be no reason why he can't play again.'"
Absolutley.
I agree with Brian Carney, and have said all along that imo a recreational drug, where there is no advantage to performance gained, is not as bad as deliberately cheating and taking peformance enhancing drugs.
Hock made a mistake. It is costing him financially, and it will take a massive effort for him to make a comeback.
If he can do this, then, imo the slate is wiped clean and no more should be said about the matter. |
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| Quote: St pete "Hock did a interview for one of the sunday papers. He said he knows he's made a huge mistake. He said he took coke because he was with the wrong crowd.
He took it to get high, not play better.'"
he still played at least 1 game whilst having cocaine in his system. cocaine is a stimulant, and therefore has performance enhacning benefits - therefore he played at least 1 game with a performance enhancing drug in his body.
whatever his motive for taking the stuff - and i dont doubt it was for recreational purposes - he still got the benefit of the banned stimulant whilst he was playing. |
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| Quote: saints35 bulls0 "he still played at least 1 game whilst having cocaine in his system. cocaine is a stimulant, and therefore has performance enhacning benefits - therefore he played at least 1 game with a performance enhancing drug in his body.
whatever his motive for taking the stuff - and i dont doubt it was for recreational purposes - he still got the benefit of the banned stimulant whilst he was playing.'"
Hardly.
So is coffee. |
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| Quote: XBrettKennyX "Hardly.
So is coffee.'"
Caffeine is also a banned stimulant above certain concentration levels.
reading around the subject of cocaine and HGH abuse by athletes - one of the side effects in uncontrollable aggression, which pretty much sums up both of Hock and Newton's careers. |
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"According to a recent study, it is estimated that 40 percent of NFL players use cocaine. Some use it recreationally, but others actually snort or smoke cocaine before games to "go crazy" on the football field. People on cocaine experience increased heart rate, energy, blood pressure, alertness, and dilated pupils. These effects of cocaine all lead to better performance on the football field for players, especially defensive linemen who have to overpower much larger offensive linemen en route to the quarterback."
observer.case.edu/Archives/Volum ... /Story_44/
there are plenty more scientific research papers and case studies out there on the subject. |
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"According to a recent study, it is estimated that 40 percent of NFL players use cocaine. Some use it recreationally, but others actually snort or smoke cocaine before games to "go crazy" on the football field. People on cocaine experience increased heart rate, energy, blood pressure, alertness, and dilated pupils. These effects of cocaine all lead to better performance on the football field for players, especially defensive linemen who have to overpower much larger offensive linemen en route to the quarterback."
observer.case.edu/Archives/Volum ... /Story_44/
there are plenty more scientific research papers and case studies out there on the subject. | |
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| Quote: XBrettKennyX "Hardly.
So is coffee.'"
So is Red Bull and other caffeine based drinks |
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