Nothing like a bit of over-reaction on RLFans. He should get a 4-6 month ban, however man games that is 16-20 or so and a hefty fine. It was disgusting but to call for a life ban is a bit over the top.

And Gareth Hock got 7 games for DELIBERATELY shoulder charging an official, the third time he has been found guilty of DELIBERATELY making contact with an official. But don't let your bias cloud fact

Banned for life? are people going mad?! 7-8 games or potentially like Newton 3-4 months at very most.

I agree think he will get 7-8.

With EGP it will be 7 and then internationals for Wales and i do think and correct me plz anyone that 1 friendly will count as well. In total he will miss 3-4 games for us.

Nice to see some sanity at last.

Newton was 3-4 months as he was injured and Noble was going to have him in the GB squad to get the number of games down for when he started with the Bulls. Again if i am wrong let me know.

The reaction is getting quite ridiculous Simon. I reckon it will be a lengthy ban but I'd be surprised if it were as much as that (Newton's) given the punishment given to Ben Westwood after last year's final. Hard to say though as sometimes the RFL feel the need to make an example and I could certainly see justification in this instance given the media coverage. His previous disciplinary record is excellent as far as I'm aware though, unlike both Westwood (?) and Newton. Whether that will count in his favour in this particular case though remains to be seen.

Some of the efforts on here to contextualise Flower's actions are beyond belief. It is the single worst thing I have ever seen in any sport. If I saw that on a Saturday night I'd expect them to be banged up. Lance Hohaia is lucky not to have suffered severe injury.

One thing i agree with you i would except them to be banged up.

We will find out tomorrow if both will be getting done by the RFL.

Quote: SaintJose "Some of the efforts on here to contextualise Flower's actions are beyond belief. It is the single worst thing I have ever seen in any sport. If I saw that on a Saturday night I'd expect them to be banged up. Lance Hohaia is lucky not to have suffered severe injury.'" Try here... www.mirror.co.uk/sport/row-zed/w ... ry-4425059

Quote: SaintJose "Some of the efforts on here to contextualise Flower's actions are beyond belief. It is the single worst thing I have ever seen in any sport. If I saw that on a Saturday night I'd expect them to be banged up. Lance Hohaia is lucky not to have suffered severe injury.'" Try here... www.mirror.co.uk/sport/row-zed/w ... ry-4425059

Bang on! They obviously changed their facial expression in a split second to smile at this, can't believe you're the only person that picked up on it...

Not really watched much sport then

Watched and played sport all my life. That was a sickening attack on a unconscious player. Deserves a long long ban

I can see the England dressing room or even the St Helens dressing room for the internationals/WCC where the coaches are extolling the virtues of not trying to physically dominate and hurt the other side. Good luck beating the Aussies.

Then there's the thug/coward phrases. To me these are used for intended malicious play, Flower is guilty of seeing red and stupidly lashing out twice after receiving treatment that could have easily broken his jaw. Not a pre-meditated attack or a sneaky dig with others around which for me fall into the thug and coward category. You would think, on these forums, that not a single one of us has lost their temper and done something stupid.

I have seen players gouge, stamp, flying kick and on one occasion smash somebody over the head with their boots having run on from the side line. It doesn't take a great deal of looking on the web to find examples of simple pre-meditated dirty play:


There is a HUGE difference between a coach telling his team to physically dominate and smash people and to be reckless and knock people out. A HUGE difference.

There's plenty of shockers out there, but I've never seen a player attack the head of another player while he is already knocked out and on his back and unable to defend himself.

No. I blamed Bennie (who can be a liability and should have walked). The thing here is that Bennie put in a big and very reckless shot in, with intent to hit the head, on a player with the ball. Flower knocked a man out, without the ball, and then stood over him and punched his face. I can't see a comparison, really.

I don't blame TS because Wire don't knock out or have opposition players stretchered off with much regularity as Wigan. It's Wigan vs the rest of SL on this issue, and it's not like the 80s when it could be argued that we were all just sick of the winning dominance.

I agree. He consistently makes wrong decisions and they happen more frequently in bigger games.

there are some serious s on this thread!!