I think Peet said the red card was irrelevant as he was refusing to get drawn into criticising it this making not sound like sour grapes and landing himself a fine. If he thought it was the correct decision he would have said so. A player sent off can almost never be irrelevant.

I get the reasoning behind it but sometimes there’s little the defender can do about it, Sironen was going down, yes the defender still has a duty of care but he can’t disappear or pull out in a fraction of a second. Common sense should be applied imo & it should have been a yellow. No malice in it though.

It was a good, exciting and intense game, the stats after the first 20 showed it was a level above the other games. Both teams were playing well overall and defences were strong. It was only when players tired the game opened up a bit. The two differing styles were evident.

Ultimately lost ball and forced offloads cost us and gave them the position from which they capitalised. It’s hard to criticise that, as it would partly be fatigue and partly the high risk strategy which has seen us win a lot of games and score some wonderful tries.

Peet spoke about learning lessons, I think that applies to him to. This was the wrong game to start Cust on his return, I was very surprised when I saw him on the team sheet. Do we know why KPP was left out?

Are forward passes not a thing any more? Counted 3 absolute shockers from Lomax in the last 10 mins alone and none mentioned on tv, nor picked up by the officials.

According to the commentators taken ill Saturday morning.

I would add that we need to improve our line speed when defending. We allowed Welsby and Lomax too much thinking time.

This.

In peace…

I think Saints deserved it. If you look where you finished most sets then territorially we were on top. You were kicking from your own 40 quite a bit. Lack of composure a few times meant you either dropped it or turned the ball over on bad terms.

I actually think Wigan are the more ruthless of the two sides. We were on top for 25 mins but did nothing with it then you got one chance and scored.

Give Wigan the same amount of ball as saints and they score fair more points than us. But ultimately we beat you up In the middle and got more chances.

What I will say is only Wigan stop saints from winning it and vice verca.

We’ve had some good natured jousting on here but don’t ever ever play the milking card again. Watch Farrell 25 mins. Literally lied down, got a pen then did a star jump to get up haha

That’s a completely different context to what you initially said. And is all still correct - your pack was getting murdered again yesterday without Walmsley and some outstanding defence and a bit of quality from deep from Field and French kept you in the game. Second half and much of the first the Wigan pack went absolutely nowhere.

Whether intentional or not, a shoulder to the head is clearly dangerous and the RFL are right to make every effort to cut it out of the game. The responsibility is on Singleton to control his technique.

None of us want to see injury feigning - perhaps a captain’s challenge solution would be better? If Sironen feels he has been whacked, he can appeal for the video ref to look? If video ref disagrees, Saints can’t use the challenge again.

I love all this about Sironen feigning injury for looking like he’d got a direct shoulder the head after getting a direct shoulder to the head!

My favourite excuse for Singleton so far is he wasn’t looking and just putting the shoulder in. That’s the very definition of a reckless tackle - he deliberately leads with his shoulder so if that smacks someone’s head then he’s getting a card.

It’s not like it’s unusual for a player to be brought down from standing height when tackled by another player. Singleton led with the shoulder second man in - reckless and dangerous.

On the game - French was lethal when called upon and that break from Firld was all class.

I felt like Saints were well on top for big chunks of the first and most of the second half but Wigan looked much more dangerous with the ball. I think Wigan knew they would be dominated up front so played with lots of ball movement at times and looked really threatening given the pace they had across the pitch.

Great game and a good win. I was confident all week about covering injuries in the backs as we had a first choice pack but losing Walmsley on top was a concern. Of course Wigan had a few out too.

Yeah I don’t think Sironen was feigning it, but that can be the only way to draw the referee’s eye to dangerous contact- there has to be a better way

Personally I thought it was a great game. Saints early dominance and Wigan's dogged defence. A brilliant first try.
Wigan looking like they may go on and win it early in the second half. Saints fighting their way back into it. Again Wigan looking like they'd won it. Saints coming bak but missing the conversion looking like they'd lost it. Then an brilliant piece of play for a winning try in the last minute.
French and Field just spped merchants and nothing else - think again. Welsby vastly overated - think again.
The red card - the more reasoned on here correctly point to the application of the rule - did it come about due to the 2 incidents in Saints v Catalans not resultingin sending offs but subsequently big bans - yes probably. But if that had been Walmsley on Farrell how many on here would be saying only a penalty or bin at the worst?
From a neutrals point of view that has to be the game of the season. Wigan have improved so much from last year, congrats to Matt Peet, also for his far more calm and collected after match interviews and not just in this game. I hope should these to teams contest the Grand Final then it is with both teams missing very few players, what a final we wioll see again if so.

That's pure hyperbole imo.

Undoubtedly, you started the game on the front foot & very much in control, but I actually think that our bench turned the game in our favour. We held that into the 2nd half and low and behold Singo comes back on and it switches back to you.

Mago, Havard and Smithies were massive improvements on the guys they replaced. I'm hoping Cooper will help with what's an glaring issue. Likewise, time to bin Shorrocks off too.

I'm not going to get into the BS of who was missing (for both sides), but Thornley and KPP and the momentum they bring from our line was a huge loss. Would they have been the difference? Probably not, but Hurrell really set the tone for you guys in that regard. He's had some stick from our fans, but what a player he is. Imo he's had some big moments in all three of pie games this year.

Maybe - I’m waiting on the stats but it felt to me like we spent vast swathes of the game returning kicks back into wigans half after they’d been limited to not much in possession, and where yards came for Wigan they came moving the ball as the pack was struggling.



I don’t think you can blame getting penned in your own half on Singleton. There were plenty out there struggling for yards.



Hurrell has been a good signing. Was great to see Hopoate get through a game, some very classy touches.

Also if there’s a better back rower than Batchelor running around SL this season then I haven’t seen him. Massive game again from him, hope he gets a chance in the World Cup.

On reflection after the disappointment of losing in the last minute.

We've shown we can compete with Saints, another day and we could just as easily won that rather than losing.

The same issues remain in that we need to stop Saints getting a roll n when they are desperate, they just put and extra 10% into their post contact metres than we can find. Pin them down in their half on the last 5 mins and we win the game.

Conversely, they are so good at pinning us in our half, the 15 mins spell where we were kicking from our own 30-40 took its toll on the end.

We need to find a way to work out how to deal with both.

Their last play options and structure are very good in the 20m range. Either a kick and proper challenge on the full back or a dummy, kept our defence guessing.

Conversely we looked a little clunky in our organisation, possibly with Cust coming back in. I do wonder if Field at 6 and Miski on wing would have helped attacking shape and coming off our own line.

Overall, great game, unlucky not to win, could have gone either way and we wouldn't be looking at the negatives but raving over Field and French.