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| I'm probably going to get shot down for this.... but I'm inclined to agree with some comments with regards to Field. Don't get me wrong, I don't think he's average and I love watching him play and he's an absolute weapon - but when not given an inch, his threat is nullified by good defence and good marking.
He isn't the best passer. Even against Salford, he bombed two tries with poor passes out wide, so it was a good job he went almost the full length to win it.
Defensively, he's great in open play when a team is on a break because of his pace - he manages to force them on the outside to take them into touch, but as a last man on the line, he's often out of position or just gets bumped off which becomes a problem in the closer games.
That being said, he's still young and I believe he's still learning the full back position. I still find him exciting to watch and I'm glad that we have him for a couple more seasons, but he does have weaknesses and areas for improvement.
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| Quote: NSW "Red vee meltdown is superb reading.
We’re bang average and they beat themselves.
Also they seem very very touchy about Field potentially being Man of Steel.
Bang average as is French.'"
They're an absolute joke. I hate St.Helens but I have a life so don't let it fester. They are obsessed with their hated. What sad lives they must lead.
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| I don't understand the criticism of Field if he doesn't destroy a team on his own.
There were quite a few big involvement from him which were pivotal to us scoring or not conceding.
His 1:1 tackle on Hurrell in the 1st half 3 yards from our line - how many other FB's would pull that off? I've seen him make more than his share of 1:1 tackles and never seen him embarrassed like some other supposed top FBs have.
His pass to French where he broke down the right led directly to Farrell's try next play as Saints were scrambled in defence .
A team like Saints are always going to pressure you because that's what they do for the full 80 and they are the best kick chase and challenging team in the game. I can't see many FBs taking all those kicks on their own line when there are so many players challenging for the ball.
One and probably only criticism I would have as a team is that we didn't get Field attacking Hurrell on the outside. He was always jamming in and there was so much room on his outside .
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| Quote: Big Steve "
One and probably only criticism I would have as a team is that we didn't get Field attacking Hurrell on the outside. He was always jamming in and there was so much room on his outside .'"
I was surprised we didn't target Makinson in the first half when he was limping. I think we had mabye 3 sets or so when he was clearly struggling and kept going to the right instead.
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| Just re watching the game again now.
Field makes a try saving 1:1 against Lussick on the 62nd minute when he was clean through. That would have been game over.
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| I thought overall Field had a good game. He’s not going to score 60m tries every week.
I’m sure he’d be the first to admit there are improvements to be made, there isn’t a player on the planet that can’t improve.
What some people need to realise is St Helens will have worked on and executed a plan to try an nullify his threat as they are acutely aware of the danger he poses. By doing that space is created for others to exploit. It’s a team game.
What please me most about Field was his defensive efforts, particularly the tackle of Hurrell, that was bravery and commitment against a bloke twice his size. I don’t have an issue with the dropped bombs, I’d put that down to excellent kick chase pressure, certainly not an unforced error.
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| Quote: thesaint62 "No doubt the best team won today question is can you play to that level every week? I've no doubt you'll win the final though.'"
Well my friend you cant thats for sure
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| A few random thoughts the morning after:
Harry Smith's best kicking performance in a long while - crucial to winning the game and something Leuluai would not be able to provide. Cust provided a great running threat and his passion and competitiveness was fantastic to see.
Morgan Smithies absolutely outstanding and outshone Morgan Knowles on the day.
Why did the hooter go off late at the end of both halves?
French in 2020 would have scored the try easily on his break - the lack of preseason has knocked a yard of pace off him.
Saints were nowhere near their best but how much better would we be if we cut down the cheap ball and territory we handed them? Still too many simple handling errors and I'm not sure what went on with all the offside penalties.
Massive psychological boost for the team - would have been tough to take to let that lead slip. Huddersfield will be very hard to beat at Tottenham.
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| Field is a threat, and a potent one..... And players like him create space for others around him, as the defense closes to nullify his threat....
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| Quote: MadDogg "Saints were nowhere near their best but how much better would we be if we cut down the cheap ball and territory we handed them? Still too many simple handling errors and I'm not sure what went on with all the offside penalties.
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I've been berated on here in the past for calling out referees for their incompetence.
That's still what I think it is. Plain unprofessionalism. I don't genuinely believe any referees are actually so biased that they'd try to influence an outcome.
But yesterday was odd. A couple of times I heard the ref warning Saints that they were standing offside, but in Wigan's case he just blew the whistle. And each time, it was when a decent Harry Smith kick had pinned them right back.
I'm sorry, but that's dodgy.
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| Harry Smith proving me wrong yet again, fantastic to see.
Liam Marshall knocking on lost us the game, so very happy to see him get over for the winner.
We tried our best to implode in the second half but found a way.
Can’t wait for the away day in London. It’s been too long!
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| Quote: Katrina "I'm probably going to get shot down for this.... but I'm inclined to agree with some comments with regards to Field. Don't get me wrong, I don't think he's average and I love watching him play and he's an absolute weapon - but when not given an inch, his threat is nullified by good defence and good marking.
He isn't the best passer. Even against Salford, he bombed two tries with poor passes out wide, so it was a good job he went almost the full length to win it.
Defensively, he's great in open play when a team is on a break because of his pace - he manages to force them on the outside to take them into touch, but as a last man on the line, he's often out of position or just gets bumped off which becomes a problem in the closer games.
That being said, he's still young and I believe he's still learning the full back position. I still find him exciting to watch and I'm glad that we have him for a couple more seasons, but he does have weaknesses and areas for improvement.'"
I really don't want to focus on negatives after a fantastic win but I really do have to take issue with this. Saints marked Field out if the game just as Salford did in the quarter final. The result was the same in both instances; a Wigan win. In Salford's case a nilling. In Saints' case a nilling until half time. They came back at us like the champion team they are but the end result was the same
To suggest he can't pass because he made a couple of questionable ones against Salford in the league game is crazy! Did you have your eyes closed the whole of the Warrington game? Or yesterday for that matter?
To question his one on one defence is also crazy after he just stopped Hurrell metres from the line in a one on one. How many people do that? And it's not like it's a rarity. He's put try savers in nearly every match! What are you watching?
Jai will not score length of the field tries every match. No player...no matter how good... does. But he is the best player to watch in Superleague by a country mile and we're lucky that it's us who get to cheer his moments of magic!
What would possess anyone to write a post like the above on a day like today completely escapes me. You must be a blast at parties!
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| Quote: jonh "Harry Smith proving me wrong yet again, fantastic to see.
Liam Marshall knocking on lost us the game, so very happy to see him get over for the winner.
We tried our best to implode in the second half but found a way.
Can’t wait for the away day in London. It’s been too long!'"
Harry Smith was outstanding again Jon, as he was against Warrington. I think playing busted last year has put unnecessary pressure on him to do well this year but he's risen to the challenge like he was born to it!
I still think he'll need time to fully establish himself with Tommy still at the club and he'll have good days and bad days. I just hope as fans we give him the patience he deserves. He's clearly a class act with the potential to kick on.
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| Quote: Cruncher "I've been berated on here in the past for calling out referees for their incompetence.
That's still what I think it is. Plain unprofessionalism. I don't genuinely believe any referees are actually so biased that they'd try to influence an outcome.
But yesterday was odd. A couple of times I heard the ref warning Saints that they were standing offside, but in Wigan's case he just blew the whistle. And each time, it was when a decent Harry Smith kick had pinned them right back.
I'm sorry, but that's dodgy.'"
100%. Child(?) was a disgrace yesterday.
Well, I went to a game yesterday for the first time in a while. I'm disabled and was extremely anxious about going. Massive shoutouts have to go to the three fellow Wigan fans who shared a cab from the station with me and got me assistance at the ground when I was about to try and tackle it on my own. Rugby League and its fans are the absolute best.
Also, unbelievable from the Elland Road staff. So helpful and friendly. Surprising in Yorkshire.
Game wise I thought bar a 15 minute second half meltdown we were excellent. It's so, so clear what Peet is trying to do here. And it seems to be working. Under Wane we would turn in some baffling performances in the league but when it mattered, win or lose, you knew we'd given our all. It was nice to see that return yesterday.
Also, Farrell's try. Fantastic.
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| Quote: Phuzzy "I really don't want to focus on negatives after a fantastic win but I really do have to take issue with this. Saints marked Field out if the game just as Salford did in the quarter final. The result was the same in both instances; a Wigan win. In Salford's case a nilling. In Saints' case a nilling until half time. They came back at us like the champion team they are but the end result was the same
To suggest he can't pass because he made a couple of questionable ones against Salford in the league game is crazy! Did you have your eyes closed the whole of the Warrington game? Or yesterday for that matter?
To question his one on one defence is also crazy after he just stopped Hurrell metres from the line in a one on one. How many people do that? And it's not like it's a rarity. He's put try savers in nearly every match! What are you watching?
Jai will not score length of the field tries every match. No player...no matter how good... does. But he is the best player to watch in Superleague by a country mile and we're lucky that it's us who get to cheer his moments of magic!
What would possess anyone to write a post like the above on a day like today completely escapes me. You must be a blast at parties!'"
Why are you taking it so personally? He isn't the perfect/final product but so what? He's a weapon for us and it works. I don't know people get SO uppity whenever anyone points his weaknesses out. The poor passes haven't just been against Salford either though have they. But it's fine cos he's not playing in the halves. If he was, then it'd be an issue. Ultimately, I believe that's where he sees himself in the long run.
I didn't mention one on one. I mentioned on the line... He often doesn't 'sweep' and follow the play and ends up out of position. I also said he's young and still learning the role.
Had I said 'I don't like him, he's sh*t, he's average' blah blah then fair enough. I think you need to chill out a bit.
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