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| Quote: christopher "Leeds fan here in peace.
My initial thoughts on your rebrand (I own a branding agency)
Been giving this some thought, lets take the actual design of the badge out of it for a moment, owning a branding agency I know as much as anyone how design is subjective.
The key thing for me is that the ‘Warriors’ brand hasn’t really worked for Wigan. And to look at it simply it hasn’t worked for 2 reasons. 1. They didn’t really embrace it from the start, look at a club (happens to be my club) The Leeds Rhinos, they fully embraced it from the start and ran with it, it caused a lot of controversy at the time but it has undoubtedly worked for them be cause they went all in at the start but this leads me onto my next point...
2. Wigan were successful at the time of the name changes, Wigan RL was already a strong brand and one that the supporters were proud of, Leeds were coming off the back of financial troubles and almost going bust, it was a perfect time for them to reinvent themselves, Wigan didn’t need to do this so the Warriors moniker was just a half hearted attempt to go along with what was happening.
Long story short I personally think the braver bold decision here would have been to actually drop the name Warriors from the name and go ‘all in’ with branding themselves Wigan RL. There are many examples of redesigns of older badges which look both modern yet traditional and they could have got round the cost of reproduction with s well designed crest.
Nobody really calls Wigan the Warriors in the same way as say Leeds Rhinos are known as the Rhinos, maybe that’s their thinking but I think its too late and has shown by the reaction not what the fans actually want.
Wakefield has done this recently (on a much smaller scale and IMO not 100% correctly) but I believe it resonated well with fans and merchandise sales are up.
To then bang on about tradition and release a cherry and black shirt with the new crest just seems like a total mis step.
So in my professional opinion, they’ve got this whole rebrand badly wrong.'"
Top post and I couldn’t agree more. We have a massive sign that goes up at the stadium it says “WE ARE WIGAN” focus on this, drop the warriors theme altogether.
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| Quote: P-J "Thus solidifying Radlinski as the worst CEO we've ever had.
His player acquisition has been middling to poor. This ego fueled nightmare takes it to a new level.'"
Great player, but no Simon Collinson.
The marketing of the club since his departure leaves a lot to be desired!
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| Quote: Ruddy Duck "Great player, but no Simon Collinson.
The marketing of the club since his departure leaves a lot to be desired!'"
and he was no mick hogan could do with both back and get Collinson back into the marketing dept
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| Quote: christopher "
Wigan were successful at the time of the name changes, Wigan RL was already a strong brand and one that the supporters were proud of, Leeds were coming off the back of financial troubles and almost going bust, it was a perfect time for them to reinvent themselves, Wigan didn’t need to do this so the Warriors moniker was just a half hearted attempt to go along with what was happening.
Long story short I personally think the braver bold decision here would have been to actually drop the name Warriors from the name and go ‘all in’ with branding themselves Wigan RL. There are many examples of redesigns of older badges which look both modern yet traditional and they could have got round the cost of reproduction with s well designed crest.
Nobody really calls Wigan the Warriors in the same way as say Leeds Rhinos are known as the Rhinos, maybe that’s their thinking but I think its too late and has shown by the reaction not what the fans actually want.'"
100% spot on!
Clubs like the Bulls, Rhinos, & even Wire Wolves took full advantage of the SL 'jazzed-up' rebrand, when it was first touted.
And it definitely worked for those clubs (Bradford's later issues to one side)
Wigan didn't & most of us didn't really care either, tbh.
Even my kids have never fully grasped the 'Warriors' thing, despite being born into it. Always Wigan RL(FC).
That said, it's never really bothered me / them either. Whatever, really.
That was until this crazy new badge has been dumped on us.
My kids hate it. And I seriously hate it.
As somebody has already posted earlier, I didn't actually realise just how strongly attached I am to our club crest until now.
A return to our roots as just plain Wigan RL would be much preferable & tweak from there.
This badge means nothing to me. Apart from recognising the words on it, I don't see / feel it connects to our club at any level.
And must be bad, to have dragged me out of years of slumber on this forum!!
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| The minority including those within the club who think that the badge is great piece of marketing and will attract younger people to support the club are not only showing that they are out of touch with the majority of supporters, but also with the majority of Wigan people.
But like many other things today, another example of the lowering of standards and cheapness!
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| Having slept on it for a second night I still can't get my head around it.
Taking all that KR said into account, I get the possible need/want to re-brand but surely they could have done this in a far better way and as I have said before followed the football route and created a new badge for marketing use and kept the crest for the team. That's before we even get onto how poor the design is.
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| Quote: Egg Chasing "Having slept on it for a second night I still can't get my head around it.
Taking all that KR said into account, I get the possible need/want to re-brand but surely they could have done this in a far better way and as I have said before followed the football route and created a new badge for marketing use and kept the crest for the team. That's before we even get onto how poor the design is.'"
I am not in favour of the new badge, but the modified design by yourself is far better!
Perhaps they should have consulted you about its design.
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| When Manchester City did a badge redesign they did several and let the fans decide.
I vote for the Historical Coat of Arms. Would think that the majority of fans would to.
Put it to a fans vote. Give us our history badge back!
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| Hipsters have won out sod history it seems.
Funny isn’t it they can get in touch when they need something such as donating your season ticket yet keep quiet over something that was bound to get peoples hackles up
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| Quote: christopher "Leeds fan here in peace.
My initial thoughts on your rebrand (I own a branding agency)
Been giving this some thought, lets take the actual design of the badge out of it for a moment, owning a branding agency I know as much as anyone how design is subjective.
The key thing for me is that the ‘Warriors’ brand hasn’t really worked for Wigan. And to look at it simply it hasn’t worked for 2 reasons. 1. They didn’t really embrace it from the start, look at a club (happens to be my club) The Leeds Rhinos, they fully embraced it from the start and ran with it, it caused a lot of controversy at the time but it has undoubtedly worked for them be cause they went all in at the start but this leads me onto my next point...
2. Wigan were successful at the time of the name changes, Wigan RL was already a strong brand and one that the supporters were proud of, Leeds were coming off the back of financial troubles and almost going bust, it was a perfect time for them to reinvent themselves, Wigan didn’t need to do this so the Warriors moniker was just a half hearted attempt to go along with what was happening.
Long story short I personally think the braver bold decision here would have been to actually drop the name Warriors from the name and go ‘all in’ with branding themselves Wigan RL. There are many examples of redesigns of older badges which look both modern yet traditional and they could have got round the cost of reproduction with s well designed crest.
Nobody really calls Wigan the Warriors in the same way as say Leeds Rhinos are known as the Rhinos, maybe that’s their thinking but I think its too late and has shown by the reaction not what the fans actually want.
Wakefield has done this recently (on a much smaller scale and IMO not 100% correctly) but I believe it resonated well with fans and merchandise sales are up.
To then bang on about tradition and release a cherry and black shirt with the new crest just seems like a total mis step.
So in my professional opinion, they’ve got this whole rebrand badly wrong.'"
Nail and head for me. I actually like the crest with the castle and crown, the ‘warrior’ gimmick is something I’ve never really been a huge fan of (irrespective of my poster name).
I’m all for moving forward, we have to as a club and a sport but there’s a way to do it that incorporates both tradition and the new age. Changing the badge to that monstrosity and changing the colours to red and black does neither but p!55 off most fans.
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| Quote: hengirl "Hipsters have won out sod history it seems.
Funny isn’t it they can get in touch when they need something such as donating your season ticket yet keep quiet over something that was bound to get peoples hackles up'"
Some fans were included in the review I think from the very beginning
Not sure how much sway they had (probably none) but the club could argue they did include the fans in the decision
From KR video this appears to be IL’s decision
I think IL will keep his head down on this and ride out the storm
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| Radlinski galore on the club website trying to justify the reasons for the change of the badge.
He should remember as a former player that when Maurice Lindsay was Chairman, he said that supporters should be proud to wear any clothing with the traditional Ancient and Loyal coat of arms badge on it.
He and the others members of the gang of four did not need to change a badge to get younger people to support the club, they just provided the best players they could sign and put on the field for supporters of all ages to watch.
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| Quote: Itchy Arsenal "Some fans were included in the review I think from the very beginning
Not sure how much sway they had (probably none) but the club could argue they did include the fans in the decision
From KR video this appears to be IL’s decision
I think IL will keep his head down on this and ride out the storm'"
He has to (for the next 12 months anyway) as they've got a load of training kit with the new badge on there.
I don't think I've seen a more negative reaction to anything the club have done.
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| Grown men arguing and venting on social media is probably more embarrassing than the badge itself.
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| Quote: Ruddy Duck "I am not in favour of the new badge, but the modified design by yourself is far better!
Perhaps they should have consulted you about its design.'"
Can't take credit for that I'm afraid, but I have said for years we should market the castle aspect of the crest (and we did briefly)
I know someone who was consulted on this and I trust them 100% to have done the right thing. Their comments would indicate the club didn't really care what fans said.
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