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| Quote: DaveO "The latest in Wigan today has Rads saying he saw the video on Saturday yet the landlord went to the club five weeks ago. At best this is a lackadaisical approach to investigating the incident if Rads didn't know there was a video and as a result of it surfacing [inow[/i it makes the club look bad for not acting sooner. The fact it's only issued the fines £5K Sam, 10K Joel) and suspended Joel for four week now just looks bad and a reaction to the video surfacing rather than part of a process. If as alleged the barmaid was offered a grand to delete it, whoever did that should be sacked. There should be no need for any such payoff if disciplinary action was being taken by the club. Yes the club might not like it of the video got out but the last way you would ensure that is with a backhander. Some sort of legal agreement with compensation on condition it was verifiably removed would be the only way you could do it officially but a grand payoff is the behaviour of a petty criminal.'"
This in my opinion would have been brushed under the carpet if it hadn’t come out on social media.
Pathetic by all involved.
Personally wouldn’t pick either of them again.
That would be a real message.
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| Quote: DaveO "The latest in Wigan today has Rads saying he saw the video on Saturday yet the landlord went to the club five weeks ago. At best this is a lackadaisical approach to investigating the incident if Rads didn't know there was a video and as a result of it surfacing [inow[/i it makes the club look bad for not acting sooner. The fact it's only issued the fines £5K Sam, 10K Joel) and suspended Joel for four week now just looks bad and a reaction to the video surfacing rather than part of a process. If as alleged the barmaid was offered a grand to delete it, whoever did that should be sacked. There should be no need for any such payoff if disciplinary action was being taken by the club. Yes the club might not like it of the video got out but the last way you would ensure that is with a backhander. Some sort of legal agreement with compensation on condition it was verifiably removed would be the only way you could do it officially but a grand payoff is the behaviour of a petty criminal.'"
No matter how long the video has been around...if Rads says he's only just seen it how can you make out he hasn't.
There's no proof it is t weeks old is there?...
No that I doubt it.
It may be because of this ST and SW are doing one before they are pushed.
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| Quote: jonh "This in my opinion would have been brushed under the carpet if it hadn’t come out on social media.
Pathetic by all involved.
Personally wouldn’t pick either of them again.
That would be a real message.'"
IL and KR are probably putting fires out daily, they only had to do something because Geoff from Warrington on Facebook is outraged. I think the speed of the reaction from Wigan was actually commendable when you compare it to the Kelly incident.
They’ve suspended Joel and fined both of them, now can we all climb aboard our incredibly high horses and get over it.
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| Quote: WARRIOR5 "IL and KR are probably putting fires out daily, they only had to do something because Geoff from Warrington on Facebook is outraged. I think the speed of the reaction from Wigan was actually commendable when you compare it to the Kelly incident.
They’ve suspended Joel and fined both of them, now can we all climb aboard our incredibly high horses and get over it.'"
No.
The speed of reaction was 5 weeks too late.
Plenty of people are outraged, especially Wigan fans, and so they should be.
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| The video is all over the national press websites tonight (presumably due to being mentioned on TV today). The reactions are all negative, with people saying Joel's eyes suggest he was on drugs not just drunk. Not something I know about but a few people have suggested it.
i think he'll have to go this week.
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| Quote: jonh "No.
The speed of reaction was 5 weeks too late.
Plenty of people are outraged, especially Wigan fans, and so they should be.'"
And you know Wigan had the video or even access to it five weeks ago how? Just because they knew of an incident, doesn’t mean they had seen the video.
As I said, the club will probably be dealing with/have dealt with a number of issues frequently that we don’t know about. We love a sport that largely involves knocking ten bells out of each other for eighty minutes, the players aren’t going to be perfect, they will make mistakes.
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| Quote: Dally "The video is all over the national press websites tonight (presumably due to being mentioned on TV today). The reactions are all negative, with people saying Joel's eyes suggest he was on drugs not just drunk. Not something I know about but a few people have suggested it.
i think he'll have to go this week.'"
Oh dear. One day in and someone has already potentially committed libel.
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| I suspect KR was aware that JT and ST had gobbed off to a barmaid on a night out, and that the manager who contacted him never mentioned a video. KR has told ST & JT to get back and apologise, which they have done. They have also offered her £1K to delete the video, which then somehow surfaced yesterday. They were the only two who knew they'd been filmed and thought they had put the matter to bed by way of an apology and £1K.
I think it is entirely plausible that KR was unaware of a video until yesterday, and the speed he has dealt with it gives me the feeling that he feels just as let down as we do.
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| Quote: muttywhitedog "I suspect KR was aware that JT and ST had gobbed off to a barmaid on a night out, and that the manager who contacted him never mentioned a video. KR has told ST & JT to get back and apologise, which they have done. They have also offered her £1K to delete the video, which then somehow surfaced yesterday. They were the only two who knew they'd been filmed and thought they had put the matter to bed by way of an apology and £1K.
I think it is entirely plausible that KR was unaware of a video until yesterday, and the speed he has dealt with it gives me the feeling that he feels just as let down as we do.'"
Please don’t speak rationally, the illuminati won’t be happy.
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| All in all, no matter what happens it could work in our favour, we get rid of a few vastly overpaid duds without paying any compensation, and the fines can be used to support our grassroots.
Winner winner, Chicken Dinner...
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| Quote: muttywhitedog "I suspect KR was aware that JT and ST had gobbed off to a barmaid on a night out, and that the manager who contacted him never mentioned a video. KR has told ST & JT to get back and apologise, which they have done. They have also offered her £1K to delete the video, which then somehow surfaced yesterday. They were the only two who knew they'd been filmed and thought they had put the matter to bed by way of an apology and £1K.
I think it is entirely plausible that KR was unaware of a video until yesterday, and the speed he has dealt with it gives me the feeling that he feels just as let down as we do.'"
It would have been very easy for the club to mention this in their statement to put to bed any speculation.
It's PR 101.
You have to wonder why the statement didn't mention that they were aware of an incident and thought they had dealt with it, however the video showed the incident was much worse than they thought had happened and they felt the new sanctions appropriate.
At the moment nobody knows who to believe and that is the club's fault due to that statement.
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| Quote: rubber duckie "No matter how long the video has been around...if Rads says he's only just seen it how can you make out he hasn't.
There's no proof it is t weeks old is there?...'"
The owner of the bar went to the club five weeks ago with the complaint and given the video is of that incident how can it not be five weeks old? The players didn't agree to stage a reenactment did they!
If he's not seen it you have to ask why not and how come the club has ended up looking like it's reacting to it being posted only fining and banng now? The players knew they were on video, you can can see Sam T react to being videoed so the idea this would have come all as a big surprised to the club sounds far fetched to me.
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| Quote: DaveO "The owner of the bar went to the club five weeks ago with the complaint and given the video is of that incident how can it not be five weeks old? The players didn't agree to stage a reenactment did they!
If he's not seen it you have to ask why not and how come the club has ended up looking like it's reacting to it being posted only fining and banng now? The players knew they were on video, you can can see Sam T react to being videoed so the idea this would have come all as a big surprised to the club sounds far fetched to me.'"
Did they pass it by IL or just dealt with it in-house, looks like its the first time IL has seen it, maybe not the first time SW and KR have seen it.
Ive had great faith in IL and still have, but head at the top need to roll tomorrow if this has not been let known to the board and chairman, suppose we will wait and see.
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| Quote: Cruncher "Oh dear. One day in and someone has already potentially committed libel.'"
Just reporting reader comments from Mail online. As I said, I have no idea about those things.
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| Quote: Cruncher "Oh dear. One day in and someone has already potentially committed libel.'"
Someone? By saying that somebody on the internet has said something about Joel's eyes? The poster doesn't make the claim.
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