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| Can I just ask the Brigantes though...
What is your opinion on putting stickers all over the place and the Cherry and White balaclava?
As I said on a previous post, you have done a great job, just wondering what your view on this was?
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| Quote: Coventry Warrior! "Can I just ask the Brigantes though...
What is your opinion on putting stickers all over the place and the Cherry and White balaclava?
As I said on a previous post, you have done a great job, just wondering what your view on this was?'"
I can't speak for the group but my personal opinion is:
The stickers are a bit of fun that don't do any real harm as they tend to just fall off, but it depends where they're stuck.
I disagree 100% with the balaclava.
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| Quote: Conroy "I can't speak for the group but my personal opinion is
I'll agree with you on both there. The stickers as you say aren't really a big issue but could become one if they were stuck in inappropriate places.
With the balaclava I just think it gives people a reason to try and connect the Brigantes to an Ultra type group even though we know that it is far from it. It is unnecessary IMO and can be quite intimidating.
Apart from that though what the Brigantes are doing is superb and I can't wait till the start of the season to see the effect it has on the atmosphere at home games!
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| If you have been leaving "Wigan Ultras" stickers plastered around the ground at Hull KR don't be suprised to see a welcoming committee waiting for the "Ultras" when you got back later this year.
You may consider them a bit of fun but it could easily be seen as a "challenge" on somebody's "territory" by others with that mindset.
I wouldn't advise sticking them anywhere when you visit Warrington this season.
Beyond that this thread is comedy gold. I'm guessing it was Banksy with spray-paint in hand in the cherry and white balaclava.
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| Stickers and Spraypaint
I have some pasta shells and glitter that you can play with if you want, men.
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| Quote: Paul Youane "If you have been leaving "Wigan Ultras" stickers plastered around the ground at Hull KR don't be suprised to see a welcoming committee waiting for the "Ultras" when you got back later this year.
You may consider them a bit of fun but it could easily be seen as a "challenge" on somebody's "territory" by others with that mindset.
I wouldn't advise sticking them anywhere when you visit Warrington this season.
Beyond that this thread is comedy gold. I'm guessing it was Banksy with spray-paint in hand in the cherry and white balaclava.'"
"Comedy gold" which requires an aggressive reply from a Warrington fan.... Says it all really.......
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| Quote: Wigan Peer ""Comedy gold" which requires an aggressive reply from a Warrington fan.... Says it all really.......'"
Agressive reply?
I guess people see what they want to see.
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| Quote: Conroy "Which is simply what is meant by odem saying 'police things'.
We aren't a supporters club/group like the Riversiders (who do an excellent job btw) for example as we don't have memberships. It's simply a group of fans trying to improve the atmosphere. If you want to stand with us and sing as Alex says he prefers for example, then do so. If you'd rather watch the game in a more quiet spot then do that. Nobody will criticise you for it as it's your call. If you have a song you think we (by that I mean Wigan fans in general) should sing at games then belt it out. Post it on here. Post it on the Brigantes board. The better the atmosphere, the better. If you have an idea about a flag design or a way of adding colour then do the same. Come to a meeting and put it forward. We'll listen, discuss and then have a good night out talking about rugby. Anybody who wants to be a part of creating a better atmosphere and making Wigan RL the best fans on the planet can do so. The group is simply a way of getting the ideas together and implementing them.
Now to the problem with not having members so to speak. If some chavvy kid sees a flag and decides to spray it on a wall, we can't be held responsible just because he chose to stand near us and sing. Would you hold Rockstar games responsible if a kid played GTA and decided to steal a car and run people over? I'd say it was more his upbringing than the influence of a computer game.
At the last playoff game there was a small fight at full time. We can't be blamed because the guy was stood two rows infront of us. Had he been stood on the other side of the stand would those around him have been blamed? (the club acknowledged he was nothing to do with us, as they know the main people involved) All we can say is "it wasn't one of the main organisers or one of the people we know are actively involved" We can't be blamed for people attaching themselves, all we can do is try to stop those people attaching themselves and tarnishing the name by making people aware of them. If a guy in a Wigan shirt is seen battering a guy in a Saints shirt for example. All Wigan fans are called sc*m. It's difficult to get away from unfortunately.
Finally the name. It isn't to distance ourselves from other fans. If it was then we'd have memberships and secret handshakes and private meetings. We don't. Everything we do is in the open and people can give their opinions and criticisms. The name is simply to enable us to market ourselves so that we can raise funds to help pay for the things we do. How do you think we managed to get 30 flags with an average cost of £200 each in less than a year? We now give some of this money to charities in a bid to appeal to as many people as possible. Joe Bloggs might not want to donate to a flag by buying a scarf, but he may want to donate to Wigan & Leigh Hospice by buying one, so he does. So far we have donated £300 to MacMillan and have around £500ish (still not the final count) to be donated to Wigan & Leigh Hospice.
The atmosphere at games isn't really anything to do with me it's more 21-12, Jimmybirts, Dave26 and Odem but you can't deny that they've done a superb job. Wire away in the league last year was superb. Years gone by and that stand would have been empty after 20 minutes. Wigan's support is no longer the 'Wigan walk, WIGAN WIGAN WIGAN joke that it used to be. They should be congratulated not commended because some idiot has decided to attach himself.
Anyway, I'm off to spray Justin Beiber symbols everywhere so that he gets arrested and not me
That describes everything perfectly Conroy. I don't think there is much more we can see. Just re-post this. If people still want to have a go, let them. We will carry on and people can join in whenever they like. Meetings are always posted on here, there is always chance for people to get involved. It is not a clique which doesn't let people in.
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| Quote: Paul Youane "Agressive reply?
I guess people see what they want to see.'"
As have you...
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| Quote: Paul Youane "If you have been leaving "Wigan Ultras" stickers plastered around the ground at Hull KR don't be suprised to see a welcoming committee waiting for the "Ultras" when you got back later this year.
You may consider them a bit of fun but it could easily be seen as a "challenge" on somebody's "territory" by others with that mindset.
I wouldn't advise sticking them anywhere when you visit Warrington this season.
Beyond that this thread is comedy gold. I'm guessing it was Banksy with spray-paint in hand in the cherry and white balaclava.'"
So Warrington fans are going to get upset if someone sticks a sticker in the town?
Conroy, put me down for 100 stickers please!
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| Quote: Paul Youane "don't be suprised to see a welcoming committee waiting for the "Ultras" when you got back later this year.'"
Quote: Paul Youane "I wouldn't advise sticking them anywhere when you visit Warrington this season.'"
enough said really.
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| Quote: Conroy "----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Oh look. Exactly what I wrote.'"
What's your point? I wasn't disagreeing with you.
The word ultra has been used because the football groups use it. I don't see why people are getting their knickers in a twist because they can't accept that using the term is provocative and seem to be dying to contextualize it until it is just a meaningless word. If it was meaningless it wouldn't have been used.
Why use a label which (as has been mentioned by those including 'members') has been tainted by football groups when literally any could have been used? It just doesn't make any sense to me and seems to be deliberately chosen with either bad taste or bad intentions in mind; the balaclava's would provoke the same response in many.
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| Some of the posts from Brigantes members on here take me back to Primary school and the days of having gangs. It seems that some are more than a touch sensitive to any form of criticism but at the same time are more than willing to accept any compliments that go their way. This along with talk of policing the Brigantes, the Brigantes brand etc and people wanting this thread locked just because there is criticism make it sound more like a communist dictatorship whose word is final than a group of supporters. The last time I looked this forum wasnt a vehicle for the Brigantes and was for Wigan Rugby League. I would have thought this thread was a cracking way of taking peoples concerns on board and trying to improve things. Instead though I think the hostility shown towards any criticism, no matter how minor, has simply served to alienate some Wigan fans even more.
On the term Ultras every person I know when asked about this thinks of this as being a hooligan term. Whether people in the Brigantes like it or not a large percentage of people think this way and importantly people from other clubs think this way. There is simply no need to use this word and there are plenty of alternatives that could be used. As posters from other clubs have said plastering oppostion grounds with Wigan Ultra stickers is just asking for trouble further down the line because as we know all clubs have idiots and things like this are just all the excuse they need. If fans from Warrington plastered Warrington stickers all over the JJB there would be outrage on this board. Again this is all needless so why not just drop the Ultra tag and use one of the many more firiendly alternatives. People are trying to defend it by saying Ultras in a Rugby League context means something else. Well for a start there is no Ultras in a Rugby League context because no one has used it before, for obvious reasons, and it is simply a term copied from other sports. It should be no shock to anyone if that meaning is also brought across too. Some people are also saying that Ultra isnt a hooligan term and means above the norm and supporting their club in extraordinary ways. If this doesnt mean they think they are better than the average fan then I dont know what does. I, and I know others, think some Brigantes members think they are somehow better than the average fan and if the Ultra term means this to Brigantes members then it just reinforces this even more.
Other non-Brigantes Wigan fans raise valid concerns about drumming etc and they are called a sad old men. Surely instead of replying with such hostility Brigantes should be trying to appeal to all Wigan fans and take peoples concerns on board. The Brigantes, who at the end of the day are a very small minority of Wigan fans, are certainly making it seem like it is a case of if you are not with them, and if you dont agree with everything they say and do, then you are against them. Surely this should not be the case and it definately isnt the best way of getting people on board.
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| Quote: Smurf "What's your point? I wasn't disagreeing with you.
The word ultra has been used because the football groups use it. I don't see why people are getting their knickers in a twist because they can't accept that using the term is provocative and seem to be dying to contextualize it until it is just a meaningless word. If it was meaningless it wouldn't have been used.
Why use a label which (as has been mentioned by those including 'members') has been tainted by football groups when literally any could have been used? It just doesn't make any sense to me and seems to be deliberately chosen with either bad taste or bad intentions in mind; the balaclava's would provoke the same response in many.'"
This is why people shouldn't post about the 'ultra' thing when they don't have a clue about that particular scene.
Ultras are in many sports all across europe, these include... Basketball, Handball, Waterpolo, Rugby Union, Swimming, Ice-hockey, Speedway, Aussie Rules, Motor sports, Volleyball, Gaelic Football....
It is a way of supporting your team beyond the norm. That is all. It is not just a football thing, it was just birthed there. We wouldn't say Rugby League is just a Huddersfield thing.
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| Quote: Odem "Why should we be forced not to bring a drum? Will you break it if we bring one and stand near you?
All this thread has shown is that yet again BK will moan about anything, a 15 year old latics fan was an idiot, and the Brigantes have improved the atmosphere at Wigan games.'"
Jeeeeeeesus christ you are bumming this "will you break the drum?" when you know he isnt going to do so. Stop milking it flower
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