I've got to say all this slating players drivel omg lets take the forum down and no one have an opinion cause thats what making players play worse

Like john said they are not in the right job if they cant take stick mather had over 8 months before he got slated bigstyle, pryce has had 1 year training and nearly a season playing and looks unfit wtf is that all about explain that ian!

I'm liking where the club is going i like what il and mick hogan are doing in the back lets hope we stick with it

i dont mind a bit of slating of players ...thats what happens with sports people ....you can't please all the people all the time......BUT

some people on here and other boards constantly slag players off for the slightest thing. Some players are NEVER given a chance and as i said before no matter what they do they are detested by a very small minority on here and other boards........

for me personally i think if a player lacks confidence thats down to your coaching staff...as they are not doing a good job with him.....the coaching staff should know a player better than any of us and each player has different ways of dealing with pressure......some as has been pointed out say 'f..you' and go out and prove you wrong others may take it to heart and it affects their play......our players are HUMAN not robots.

lets get rid of the negativity surrounding our FANTASIC club........once whelan and co left i thought that would as well.............we have to trust Lenagen to take us the right way

I agree

I can't remember if it was this year or end of last but Mathers was introduced to the fans in the SS before a match, and people actually booed and then talked over him whilst he was being interviews. I was not a Mathers fan at all, and I do think he was very poor whilst at Wigan, but that night when that happened was beyond embarrassing. For me, criticize a player when he does something wrong, like IL did after the Hudds match last season, but not boo and jeer when that player isn't even playing! Truly pathetic. So yeah I do agree with IL when he said that some Wigan fans behaved disgracefully re Mathers.

Name rings a bell

On to the roberts thread i didn't like him when he came over but last 6 weeks (barr friday) he aint played that bad and yeah i did eat humble pie

On to the piggy issue it doesn't help when cullen is on boots n all pointing out that players are targeting him cause his fitness isn't up to scratch

At the end of the day we are wigan the biggest club in rugby league everyone who put pen to paper knew what they was getting into

This is all very true. I don't know how many folk at Wigan read forums like this, but if I was their boss I'd strongly advise that none of them do.

The problem with the internet is that it gives anyone and everyone an equal voice. In some respects that's a good thing, but it also allows people with agendas, people who are thick and people who are just plain nasty to build up bandwagons of disdain for certain individuals, with seemingly no-one to call time on it or make the point that this is only a few people who don't speak for the majority.

Granted, if we're public figures we have to take the rough with the smooth. But we all want to be liked, and some of the head-hunting vitriol that goes on online must be quite shocking to young and inexperienced players.

Criticism is one thing, but joyously rippng someone apart because it's part of your office politics (the way the Ainscough crowd do with Roberts) is totally unacceptable. It's also totally cynical - I suspect that some of these people have set out to make the player as uncomfortable as possible, hoping that it'll make him want to leave, regardless of the knock-on effect this will have for the Wigan team. Pretty disgusting, if true.

So a player becomes disillusioned, disaffected and disappointed by what he may read about himself on this forum?

Lets compare that scenario with what the people of Mogadishu think of Americans, what the people of Helmand province think of foreign soldiers, what the people of Serbia thought of the UN pilots bombing Sarajevo in the 1990's.

The best way to avoid confrontation is to avoid the area? Isn't it logical?

Surely anyone with any common sense should expect some form of backlash if entering territory likely to cause distress?

Simple solution to those advising those players that "[imay read these forums[/i" - tell them "[iDon't go near the forums[/i".

Problem solved.

I'm not condoning over the top criticism and/or personal attacks, slurs or insults to players but the importance of forums like this need to be put into context. How many people post regularly as a %age of the average attendance, and out of them how many are over the top in their character assassinations? Surely it's a drop in the ocean. ATEOTD it's a free world. No-one makes those at the club read the drivel on here. They should realise that there are probably less than 14 malcontents as opposed to average support of 14000.

any mention of Hock?

I can't really argue with that at all, like I said I was unable to attend last night so relied on information and titbits that people who did go came back and divulged. I am disappointed with some of the things that came out last night such as the Noble situation and the scouting policies, but I was happy to hear of other things, so for me it's a really mixed bag.

Absolutly spot on, when reading this it's hard to gauge what public opinion is, you can easily get an 8 page thread going with all negativity, yet it could only be a few people posting, so it isn't a true reflection of public opinion.

We are all fans, all we thrive on is the joy of a win and the pain of a loss, if some of us feel that one player in particular has lost us a game, its easy to witch hunt that player and certain players do get crucified on here.

IL is right, it isn't going to do the player any good to ironically cheer when he catches a ball, or cheer geniunly when he goes down injured, I don't care wether it should or shouldn't affect them as professionals, but it will, theres no way you could block that out.