As frustrating as the constant losing of penalty counts is (and it's me that keeps banging on about it and throwing the stat around that we've won 5 in 25 games), Harry Smith has a responsibility to keep his head and not get involved in that sort of running battle with an official. He is our organiser and game manager and that takes total concentration and a cool head. His role in this team is Kevin Sinfields in that great Leeds side and Sinfield would always be in conversation with the ref but he was in total control, which borderline involved him reffing the games. No expletives, no screaming and shouting at the official or getting involved in verbals with opposition players. He needs to get his head down and just concentrate on his job.

Where would you place French in terms of all time Wigan players? I can't imagine anyone in front of Hanley but what about the others? Tomkins obviously springs to mind but depending on how long French stays and his overall impact he has to be up there in conversations surely?

I get its different eras etc

Obviously the likes of Gene Miles and Renouf, Kenny etc were world class but didn't stay as long so didn't play as many games.

sometimes, and it may be due the anti-Wigan persecution complex , I feel that refs feel they have a duty to make the game closer and prevent blow out scores......I'm certain the stats back this up that in the first half we are disproportionately penalised with the second half going some way to even this up.



James Vella is the exception, who refs to the letter of the rule book, however frustrating it is....

Agree with that NK. I also wonder what the refs say to players. We hear a lot when they shout instructions but we don't hear a word when they speak quietly to a player as they run past. Also when there's a tackle near to touch the TJ comes onto the field and always has something to say.

Gregory and Edwards were two greats. My honest view is that he wouldn’t get in my all time best team. Having said that, he is a fabulous player.

It's so difficult to rank players from different eras. When I think of French, I just think he's a showman and if I'm thinking of players I've enjoyed watching more, then there aren't many, if any. Sam Tomkins between 2010-2013 was a better player overall IMO and he had loads of 'wow' moments but French just comes up with bits of skill that make you come out with those gasps and that leave you and your family/friends looking at each other shaking your heads in disbelief.

He'll go down as one of the best Wigan players I've seen, probably in some sort of top 10/15 players but if I think of the most entertaining players, then I think he'd be in the top two or three, if not the top one.