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Quote: CM Punk "


Really can't remember the last time we had such sequential squad numbers announced for a team (bar Hastings fave number of course), seems like an age ago that the numbers 1-17 appeard in a squad line up

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RICHARDS IS SUPERMAN!!!! Wire_91 wrote:its your first final in about 8 years and now you ravin and rantin about it F**k off, and ill be going old trafford tomoz cheering on the saints and ill be writing on this forum givin you loads of shi* when your drying you eyes and the wire fan will be here handing out the tissues in the thousands, thats if you do take that many fans cause now it looks like its your fans who have jumped on the band wagon now your in a final, this time last year there was only 1000 people in the jjb and now its fillin up cause youve won the league hahaha proper true supporters you are:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_27542.jpg



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I’m interested in what we do in centres this week. With no Hardaker.

I’ve been of the opinion Bibby will play a lot of centre this year with Miski being on the right wing (Bibby isn’t fast enough or good enough under the high ball for me).

Thornley getting number 4 indicates he could be first choice, fascinated to see how he goes as from the outside looking in it’s a weird signing.

KPP was it a one week experiment in a friendly, or does Peet see him as a fill in option out wide? For me he needs to be in the team every week, freak talent, offers X factor and IMO won’t be long til he’s in the NRL so May aswell make the most out of him.

Halsall impressed me a lot against Newcastle. Seems to have a gained size over the preseason and was surprisingly fast with his interception. Could be a good cover option but putting Faz/Isa in there. He didn’t let us down on the wing last year.


Also loose forward is interesting. I’m expecting to see Bateman at loose with Isa right back row, Farrell left back row.

Is that Batemans best position ? Probably not just can’t imagine Isa not starting. Smithies, Shorrocks and Oli P are further down the pecking order.

Exciting that the depth looks much improved this year and we actually have options.

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Quote: NSW "Also loose forward is interesting. I’m expecting to see Bateman at loose with Isa right back row, Farrell left back row.

Is that Batemans best position ? Probably not just can’t imagine Isa not starting. Smithies, Shorrocks and Oli P are further down the pecking order.'"


I think that's how we will start the season but Bateman's best position is second row. It wouldn't surprise me as the season progresses that Isa moves to the bench. Bateman, Isa & Farrell are all too similar for me to be playing in that system. If Isa moves to the bench, Bateman back to second row, i think Shorrocks will make the 13 position his own. I am not convinced by Partington. Smithies needs to have big season this year.

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I’d expect a back row of Isa, Farrell and Bateman also and I’d back them all to get the job done. They’re superb players but I do agree it might not be the best balance long term given a lack of real size.

I’d still like to see Bateman at loose forward, both personally in form and in a side playing well before forming real judgments. He hardly got to play there last season and I got a sense he quite fancied a go at the position when he came back. If that did work out I’d love to see a back three of Pearce-Paul, Farrell and Bateman over time and I think you’d get a bit of everything. We clearly wouldn’t have that Lockers style 13 then but who does?

Whatever happens the competition is going to be intense and all of the back row forwards are going to have to play well or they won’t play.

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Quote: NickyKiss "I’d expect a back row of Isa, Farrell and Bateman also and I’d back them all to get the job done. They’re superb players but I do agree it might not be the best balance long term given a lack of real size.

I’d still like to see Bateman at loose forward, both personally in form and in a side playing well before forming real judgments. He hardly got to play there last season and I got a sense he quite fancied a go at the position when he came back. If that did work out I’d love to see a back three of Pearce-Paul, Farrell and Bateman over time and I think you’d get a bit of everything. We clearly wouldn’t have that Lockers style 13 then but who does?

Whatever happens the competition is going to be intense and all of the back row forwards are going to have to play well or they won’t play.'"


Bateman for me needs to move to 13. He falls into that category of players that can and should move positions. I have zero doubt that he would make it a success too.

Like you said, it's hard to judge anything based off last season. I do think however that we saw plenty of flashes of him working around the middle and trying to make things happen.

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RICHARDS IS SUPERMAN!!!! Wire_91 wrote:its your first final in about 8 years and now you ravin and rantin about it F**k off, and ill be going old trafford tomoz cheering on the saints and ill be writing on this forum givin you loads of shi* when your drying you eyes and the wire fan will be here handing out the tissues in the thousands, thats if you do take that many fans cause now it looks like its your fans who have jumped on the band wagon now your in a final, this time last year there was only 1000 people in the jjb and now its fillin up cause youve won the league hahaha proper true supporters you are:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_27542.jpg



Quote: NickyKiss "back three of Pearce-Paul, Farrell and Bateman'"

This is what I’d like to see. Isa could do a job from the bench, bring energy and work rate to the middle, also emergency cover for the backrow and centre.

I agree with you I’d like to see a run of games with Bateman at loose. It would benefit us to have one of our best players closer to the action.

Give Bateman and KPP the freedom to offload would improve us.

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Quote: easyWire "I don’t even think it will be close to half full. Winter weather, the hangover of COVID, possible lack of star players etc. Only the North and East stands open so I’d guess about 2k in each stand. It will be nice that opposition fans will be mixing for a change though.'"

All stands are open for Wire v Wigan, it is for the Salford game that the South and West stands are closed.

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Quote: warrior1872 "Does anybody know if you can pay on the day as I've spoken to the Wigan ticket office and they didn't know i have also rung the Warrington ticket office on numerous occasions during their opening hours but it just rings without anybody answering'"


TICKET INFO
Tickets are available to purchase now from the official club store, by calling 01925 248888 or online. Supporters can buy on game day from cash turnstiles in the South and West Stand or from the ticket office windows in the North Stand.

Under 7s will be able to attend the fixture for free with a paying adult. Family tickets are also available for 2 x adults and 2 x Under 16s priced at £30 in the South and East Stand and £40 North Stand.

Blue Card discount is also available.

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Warrington have a "Young Adult" purchase policy for anyone aged 17 to 23 and they get Concession price which is £10 instead of £15
It doesn't mention this on the Wigan Site and actually says concessions up to 18
Ticket prices
•Adults – £15
•Concessions – £10
•U16s – £5
•Family Ticket (2 adults, 2 junior) – £30

*Under 7s go free with a paying adult. Concessions

- But if you look at Warringtons it says it and they are selling tickets for the South stand for that age range at £10

If your in that Age group - My 2 lads are
Take a screenshot - Pay £10

Snipped form the Warrington Ticket page details
Young Adults are supporters between 17-23 years of age

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Is this game definitely being shown on Wigan tv?

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Wigan TV for me thanks to Covid (shouldn’t have bought a ticket).

If the players are lining up as named then KPP centre, Thornley wing and Isa loose forward.

Interesting calls.

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Quote: NickyKiss "Wigan TV for me thanks to Covid (shouldn’t have bought a ticket).

If the players are lining up as named then KPP centre, Thornley wing and Isa loose forward.

Interesting calls.'"


Too early to say but they may well view KPP primarily as a centre now. I think it could be a really smart move, particularly with that being our weakest area of the squad.

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Quote: MadDogg "Too early to say but they may well view KPP primarily as a centre now. I think it could be a really smart move, particularly with that being our weakest area of the squad.'"


Nothing wrong with having a look at him there. I was at Hull away last season when he had open space in front of him and he wasn’t the quickest but he’d be a handful for anybody running that wide and players on either side of him will need to stay alive and push up in support because he can offload in some incredible positions.

I’m all for looking at a couple of these young backrowers in other spots if they’re suitable. We’re ultimately going to lose some of them through sheer weight of numbers but we can potentially lower those numbers and unearth a gem in another position by trying a couple of things.

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