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3076_1671446335.jpg SAINTS THE ORIGINAL AND PERENNIAL CHEATS
For sale full Saints kit (circa 1989). Shirts in pristine condition, but shorts badly soiled.
For 27 - 0 you get a trophy
For 75 - 0 you get sod all.
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| Kick deep, chase hard, tackle well and most of all keep the discipline with and without the ball i.e no soft penalties and late six agains.
Make Walmsley work in defence. He doesn't take a lot of carries in his own twenty, that's left to the likes of Makinson and Percival
Saints don't score a lot of tries from deep, make them work for what they get..
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| play the covid-19 card
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| Saints are as god awful in attack as we are, difference between the two sides is their forward pack can bully most teams into submission.
Look at the last time we played them, first try Bibby dropped a kick, second they threw the ball on the floor and we all stopped, Coote picked it up and scored and their third try Percival barely grounded it when we were down to eleven men.
Stand up to their pack and they're very beatable, problem there is we've only two props who could dent their line, Bullock and Clark and neither will play on Friday, you can bet everybody on this sites mortgage that Bullock gets dropped for Partington and Clark's no chance of a run.
Clubb will "play" which leaves Havard, Byrne and Shorrocks picking up the slack, with all three of those unsurprisingly looking less and less effective by the week.
Powell may miss due to his head knock which should open the door for O'Neil/Bourouh and if Field can't do 80mins then he misses out, we can't afford to waste a bench spot on a back trying to get match fit.
Probably going to get beat but I'm expecting another dull close affair rather than a massacre, if it was Catalans or Warrington this week then a 50+ pummelling would definitely be on the cards.
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| Fake head injuries
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| 1. Too many dropped ball, too many penalties given away at crucial times.
2. Our props get mullered every week. Clubb is just embarrassing now.
3. No right side threat at all.
4. Powell offers no threat from acting half back, which makes targeting out already average props even easier.
5. We seem to get an adrenaline rush and throw the ball around, that usually asts 5 minutes, then we are back to the repeated and predictable plays.
Do something about the above and we may keep the loss to a respectable score. Forget winning, saints are used to winning big games, we aren't.
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| It’s actually fairly simple from our point of view and the Hull KR game was the epitome of everything we repeatedly are doing wrong.
1). Keep hold of the bloody ball. It was the early lost possession that invited them to get on top.
2). Cut out the penalties/6 again. Ok, we’ll never get rid off all of them but we are still giving away too many.
3). Show some intensity in defence. We do this at time but not constantly and regularly hold back and invite teams to run at us. Get that line speed sorted.
If we do the above we’ll do ok.
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| All about intensity from the start of the game. It was embarrassing how much harder, faster and how much more intent the HKR players showed in that first 20 mins in everything they did. The vast majority of the 80 minutes has been poor throughout this season but jeez we’re dire in the early stages. I was hoping we’d put in a good performance against KR and then go in to Friday and really see it as the starting point of a good run to end the season, a bit like the victory at their place last year but we’ve just not got it in us this time.
I can’t see anything other than a comfortable Saints win by 16+ points.
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| We have played four more games than Saints and if we try to win the energy battle we'll lose.
Our lads are fit but so are Saints players too. The HKR game showed us that if we try to play our usual game against a team who've played far fewer games we'll come up with mistakes and miss one on one tackles. I do think that those errors were made due to tiredness and fatigue.
We therefore have to slow Saints down and doing that in the tackle with the wrestle runs the massive risk of penalties and set restarts. The way to slow them down is the very old tactic of at the end of sets kicking the ball into touch. Rather than kicking downfield with poor kicks going into the waiting arms of the Saints full back and wingers who start their set on the front foot with quick ptb.
By kicking into touch Saints will begin their sets from a standing start, Their first three hit ups won't be done by their outside backs but by the forwards who will be hit with some of the biggest tackles they will ever face. That will slow down their sets and give them tactics they won't be used to facing. To do that we'll need a good kicking game and all our senior props in the seventeen.
Whether Lam has the where with all to change tactics to cope with the new reality of us playing games against opposition who've played far fewer games remains to be seen. I can give him the benefit of the doubt with that new reality for the HKR game but the difference with HKR and their speed and our errors which was the difference between the two teams. Let's hope he can improve our fortunes and nothing less than a complete change of tactics against teams who've played four or five game less than ourselves is an imperative. Let's hope that he can do that and we come away with a win.
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| Quote: dany1979 "What does Lam need to change tactically to beat Saints?.'"
Pick 15 players to start and hope the officials dont notice
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| Short version - A ton of luck, no injuries/cards and throwing Lam's "game plan" out of the window.
Just let Jacko and Hardaker call it as they see it on the pitch and turn Lam's radio off.
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| Quote: Fantastic Mr Catpiss "Fake head injuries'"
And pay the Ref…
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| Firstly, select the right team to play. From what we saw on Friday, Field MUST start, I’d say in the halves ahead of Smith. Hardaker at FB. If Powell misses out with failed HiA, O’Neill to start at 9. (Not Shorrocks)!!
Improvement in our kicking game is essential. All our kickers just tend to kick long and it results in uncontested catching practice for the wingers every time. We need to mix it up and contest everything.
Discipline has be squeaky clean. Keep penalties and set restarts low and keep 13 players on the pitch!
Throw the ball about a bit! Imagine that…..
I fear as most do, a good hiding is on its way and the only way to minimise the damage is to have our share of possession and respect it.
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| Line speed, exactly the same as the GF last season. Give good players the time to think and they will burn you.
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| Do what Cas did last week get in their faces and not give them room to play.
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| Heard that Bateman and Powell are out of Fridays match.
Time to move Hastings to hooker.
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