Exactly, if Lam was sacked, any new coach would inherit the same problems of too many players past their sell by date, players signed not up to the standard expected at Wigan and to much expected from young inexperienced players.

It is not Lam who should be getting the stick as any Coach can only work with the players he is provided with by Lenagan and former player Radlinski!

Have Salford got a better squad than us? I don't think so.

bashing radders and lenners I see again!! We have a great team but it's just not coached properly imo. Carry on with your Lam blinkers on

Lam has enough quality in his squad to not get battered in three semi finals on the trot without us even looking like we fancy having a crack.

Recruitment in the prop department needs to be better but Lam is the worst recruitment decision Ian Lenagan has made in his time at Wigan.

The decision on Saturday to go with only one prop forward and two second rows on the bench was bemusing. The forecast all week was for heavy rain and a strong wind and he picked a dry weather team.
At 10 - 0 down with about five minutes to half time I was reasonably confident that in the second half we could bring Harry Smith on kick them deep to their half.

The loss of Havard was immense because of Lams sub selection, he really has to take the majority of the blame for that loss.

I don't do knee jerk reactions, as most of you know I'm normally very supportive but he really needs to have a good look at himself and change things around quickly otherwise it's a JIm Reeves song.

I hope he manages it BUT it doesn't look promising.

The sooner he leaves the better

Jim Reeves Brian . Really showing your age now Auld Yin.

Regards EW

"and you can tell your friend there with you **'** **** ** ** "

Tim Sheens is now available.

Last seen losing 6 games in a row with Hull KR before being sacked. This is the type of thing I'm talking about when I'm saying we shouldn't sack Lam now and be rushed into getting just anybody.

We shouldn’t rush into anybody and you won’t find me advocating for Tim Sheens. Yes he was a superb coach in his day but that’s long behind him now. We’re not going to win anything this season and I say that with equal amount of confidence and disappointment. It’s abundantly clear Lam just isn’t good enough. For me pull the trigger and get rid so we can start to build again. Clear out the rest at seasons end.

It’s as good as the Saints side Holbrook inherited!

Makinson wasn’t the Makinson we saw under Holbrook before he came.

Lomax wasn’t the Lomax we saw under Holbrook before he came.

Thompson wasn’t the Thompson we saw under Holbrook before he came.

Damn he even got dross like Peyroux and LMS playing well

Good coaches get more out of players, they improve them and take them on a level. There’s as much talent in Manfredi and Burgess as there is in Makinson, Hastings is a better player than Lomax as it is but there’s more in him, there’s more in Hardaker than he’s showing, there’s more in Bullock, more in Greenwood, more in Gildart even and so on. There’s a wealth of young talent to work with and to improve. If Holbrook could get Grace a first team gig and the billing he gets then by god I’d love to see what he’d drag out of Harry Smith, Morgan Smithies, Ethan Havard etc.

This isn’t a great team, you’re absolutely correct but it has enough talent in the squad to compete with any other squad in superleague.