Spot on Cadoo. Williams has been our biggest attacking threat ever since he came into the first team. He’s been outstanding for the club and I’m certain he’ll do well at Canberra. I’d have taken more notice of this thread had it been started by anybody else.as soon as I saw who started it, I knew what would follow. I got to the point a while back where I started to believe Enforcer is a Saints fan just out to get a bite so I tend to just ignore his / her tripe these days.

this is going to sound controversial, but here goes ....

given the losses to the playing squad from last year, the edwards nonsense, 2 wingers out for the season, 2 forwards dumped from the squad mid season. finishing 2nd and going on a long unbeaten run should not be viewed as a failure

so .. leaving aside the pluses and minuses of the coach ...

for next year we have a half back incoming who has been outstanding this year
we have a player in french who has a touch of magic
we have a forward coming over who has experience and aggression

we have blooded another couple of young forwards who look to be the deal
we have smith and bourouh to look forward to

not all doom and gloom.

given the expectations we had in feb, and the state of the club in apr - 2019 hasnt been all bad

What the hell do you know? You're so busy happy clapping for Lenagan that you dont know what the hell is going on. You told everybody that the club had done everything right when the Edwards saga was unfolding yet it turned out they had done everything wrong. Yes, announcing a new coach and parading them in front of the cameras without a signature is one of the biggest shambles ive ever seen from the club and Lenagan must take the blame for that.

As for Williams, this page has been littered with people attacking him for the past few years and i have refrained and even defended him but last night showed me that they were right. Where the hell was he? He was so anonymous that O'loughlin, a 36 year old ended up taking over as play maker.

Lets look at the real facts. We havent won a single big game this year and there have been plenty.

World club Challenge

Nou Camp

Anfield V Wire

Wire away in the challenge cup

2 Semi finals to reach old trafford

4 derby games v saints one of which was to reach old Trafford.

All the above were one off must win games in the category of big matches.

Regardless of finishing 2nd in the league we failed every big test in 2019.

2020 is a re boot for the squad.

Lets look at the real facts. We havent won a single big game this year and there have been plenty.

World club Challenge

Nou Camp

Anfield V Wire

Wire away in the challenge cup

2 Semi finals to reach old trafford

4 derby games v saints one of which was to reach old Trafford.

All the above were one off must win games in the category of big matches.

Regardless of finishing 2nd in the league we failed every big test in 2019.

2020 is a re boot for the squad.

It makes stark reading that’s for sure,add in the laughably bad rugby played at times it doesn’t add up as a season to remember at all,Lam won’t have long to turn things round next time out that’s for sure,I’ll bet too season tickets sales take a hit after the last fortnight from those on the fence.

Wow. Now that does clear things up.

For people who think it’s been a good season, the above post shows why some of us don’t think it has been despite all the off field palaver.

Some of the players have worked their socks off but I think it’s a coaching and management issue at the heart of all this.

Management - Have we the right players? Have I picked the right coach?

Coaching - Are they motivated enough? Have we the right tactics to beat the opposition?

Canberra Raiders best hope they've kept their receipt after your assessment. Your comments are reactionary, hyperbolic and rash. When was the last time a british halfback was signed up by the Aussies?

Last night was a bad night. As was the week before. But allow yourself some perspective. Twelve months ago that list of players you've rinsed won the Grand Final.

Chris Thorman, Parramatta, 2004.

George had a bad game but let’s be frank here; he’s two plays in front of everyone else, he sees things others don’t and can’t and tries to put players in gaps and spaces they’re not capable or quick enough to hit.

In the NRL that all changes. I personally think he’ll be an absolute star over there if he plays to his potential.

You know when you see a post you desperately want to argue with but you can’t? That.

It certainly makes cold hard reading.

Nail. Head.

Absolutely damming.

Great post. I still don’t get those defending Lam. It’s black and white.

The club made one error re Edwards and that was the wording of the press release. The deal was done and nailed on Edwards was due to be our next coach. He even interviewed people for jobs at the club. Regardless of what was made public, Edwards was 100% at fault and shat on the club. The press release should have said he’d agreed to be coach rather than had signed for the club. Error made.

If you can tell me a bigger attacking threat at Wigan since Williams came through I’m all ears. If not, get your red bee jersey on and enjoy the GF.

15 years. Says a lot.