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[quote="Frank Zappa":1sacjrvf]Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe.[/quote:1sacjrvf] [quote="The_Enforcer":1sacjrvf]Most idiotic post ever goes to Grimmy..... The way to restart should be an arm wrestle between a designated player from each side.[/quote:1sacjrvf]:



Quote: rubber duckie "And which of those look like they can make an.impact of the bench?...none of them for me. They're more or less all starting props.'"

I'd always pick the most talented four, then from those determine who is most suited to the bench role. If they're all similar and we keep up a high standard of play without any eye catching drives that's OK by me. For impact - I've always thought Taylor has been hard done by not to get more international game time

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Quote: MorePlaymakersNeeded "Just making sure that IL doesn't get any ideas!'"


You should be more worried about Canberra getting ideas.

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Nobody mentioned Liam Watts, sadly the best prop.in SL, has to be in the England 17.

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Quote: Pie_Eyter "Quality Flower isnt good enough for Wigan let alone GB. He has a poor attitude too.


Based on what exactly? Probably the most ludicrous comment I’ve seen on this board, ever!

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Quote: Bigredwarrior "
Hes obviously never met the guy proper clubman who doesn't cause trouble but is very steady and Wigan really miss him when he doesn't play

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Quote: warrior1872 "
We may miss him but that’s more an indictment of our prop options than anything else. He’s a mile off a cap imo.

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[quote="Frank Zappa":1sacjrvf]Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe.[/quote:1sacjrvf] [quote="The_Enforcer":1sacjrvf]Most idiotic post ever goes to Grimmy..... The way to restart should be an arm wrestle between a designated player from each side.[/quote:1sacjrvf]:



Quote: Dave K. "Nobody mentioned Liam Watts, sadly the best prop.in SL, has to be in the England 17.'"

Penalty machine, I wouldn't have him in

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Quote: Pie_Eyter "Quality player. come on leaps and bounds. Walks all over Flower and Sutton. Flower isnt good enough for Wigan let alone GB. He has a poor attitude too. Philbin has earned his shot. Better than Taylor and Hill and is in better form than Walmsley and Thompson and the whole idea is picking the form players not reputation.'"


You are slating some of the best props in the league yet you were stating how good Greg Burke is !

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Quote: stpatricks "You are slating some of the best props in the league yet you were stating how good Greg Burke is !'"



No i didn't. Don't make bull up. I said Burke had good hands, So what?

Ben Flower made a comment to somebody in earshot of me about the coach Adrian Lam that was in very bad taste and completely un-professional trying to raise a laugh. So you and bigredwarrior can get down off your high horses.

What exactly does he do that is so good on the pitch? very, very average. There are about 30 Ben Flower's knocking about. Barely plays either. Not enough contribution. You rate him if you want. I don't. That is my opinion and nobody can tell me otherwise.

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Quote: NSW "He’s played great for 2 weeks. Really great. Nice to see Warrington produce their own player rather than just sign ours.

GB though? Come off it'"

Typical of the hysteria that goes in our sport in my opinion you say a couple of good games and hes a cert for GB? icon_eek.gif

Good,solid workmanlike player is philbin nothing more, still time for him of course but as you say GB nowhere near yet.

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As a wire fan I love Philbin(he should be proud he has his own thread on Wigan's forum!), but he isn't GB class yet. Hopefully in a few years if he keeps up his improvement.

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The best impact player we’ve had for a while at the Wire, he’s improved steadily over the course of the last two seasons and it’s great to see a local lad doing so well. He punches holes in the line, has remarkable footwork and majority of the time gets a very quick play the ball. It wouldn’t surprise me too see him in the GB squad at the end of the season IF his form continues, alongside the likes of Ratchford, Clarke, Hill et al.

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Someone said that we miss Flower when he doesn't play. That is undoubtedly true. What is also true is that it happens far too often.

Lockers may have earned his 'now and then' status. But Ben hasn't.

We need props whose bodies are up to the rigours of the game.

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Quote: Grimmy "Penalty machine, I wouldn't have him in'"


So you wouldn't have Jackson Hastings in either?

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Flower is a good prop. He makes yards after impact and when he doesn’t, most of the time he’ll land on his belly to make a quick play the ball. He doesn’t take a backward step and is a good tackler. Not every player are going to be awesome, or we’d have noooo salary space. I think as a prop, he does well and what he’s employed to do - WHEN HE PLAYS!

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