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Quote: Pie_Eyter "Probably because Warrington is a ghastly place full of anti social behaviour. I always see myself as middle class when i visit there. The only decent thing Warrington has going for it is that there is a McDonalds on the way out.'"


Really? Warrington is a much wealthier town than Wigan

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Quote: Akinwale Arobieke "Really? Warrington is a much wealthier town than Wigan'"


Yeah it's a daft comment, Warrington town centres is miles better than Wigan's - much as it pains me to say.

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Quote: secondstanza "Yeah it's a daft comment, Warrington town centres is miles better than Wigan's - much as it pains me to say.'"


You've got Stockton Heath which is lovely too.

There's some very strange comments on this thread.

Surely any reasonable adult can detach their dislike of a sports team from the real world. You see it all the time with football fans not liking an actual city simply because of a sporting rivalry (see Utd fans automatically being dismissive of Liverpool as a city).

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Quote: warrior1872 "You can change the way a club is run but they still have the same scumbag supporters'"


There's no doubt that they have a rep which will attract ragtag and bobtail on a regular basis, not just when they're winnng stuff. But Moran seems to be a very respected adminstrator, and I can't see him tolerating this if it starts to rear its head again the way it did 20-odd years ago.

That said, I do agree that ordinary Wire fans responding with whataboutery whenever the subject comes up are not helping. There are incidents at other clubs, but they have by far the more evident problem.

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Quote: Cruncher "

Warrington have long been one of those (few) clubs who, when they're coming here or we're going there, you have to make special plans for. Like deciding whether to wear colours or not, deciding where to park, taking pains to ensure you travel and stand with plenty of other Wiganers, etc.

But it's been going on for decades, and what you see now is literally nowt compared to what you used to see in the 70s and 80s.

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Yep, I can recall us playing at Wilderspool early 1970's. Thankfully at the time I was a very fit serving soldier, and went with my family including both parents. I was also very clued up on riot training, as Northern Ireland was the major conflict at the time. It was grim and wild at Wilderspool. I think Alex Murphy was their coach at the time.

I am sure the hooliganism isn't as bad these days, but 'wire' have had this problem since even before I started watching Wigan in the very late 1950's. My old Dad commented on them many times of even before my time, and he went back to the late 1920's watching Wigan.

IIRC, even Billy wouldn't let them in the Griffin when they came to CP.

I used to know some long time staunch 'wire' fans who were as appalled at their behaviour as we are.

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Quote: Trainman "I’ve made my feelings clear on the VT regarding a larger than most clubs section of their fans. Remember it is just a minority. Most are as disgusted with the behaviour of that minority as the rest of us.'"


Spot on!

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Quote: Akinwale Arobieke "Really? Warrington is a much wealthier town than Wigan'"


All the more baffling that so many nob yeds live there.

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Quote: Orrell Lad "All the more baffling that so many nob yeds live there.'"


They've nowhere else to go other than t'rugby. At least most of our nob-yeds have the wendyballers to toddle off to.

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I think you lot have been watching too much of the Football factory. Don't worry about Friday, you'll be OK.

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Quote: Pie_Eyter "Probably because Warrington is a ghastly place full of anti social behaviour. I always see myself as middle class when i visit there. The only decent thing Warrington has going for it is that there is a McDonalds on the way out.'"


I see you as middle class now too mate. McDonald's on the way out n'all.

Regarding this thread, we have some fans who are a disgrace to the club and Rugby league who are raising their ugly heads at the moment. I want them banned for life and I think most of us do, its a joke that saints fans can't just go home peacefully and feeling buoyant after the game. I won't comment on the catalans incident because there is a review happening and I really don't know exactly what's gone on, not that they will find a cause that justified the actions of the idiots getting involved. Please refrain from labelling us all that way, most wire fans are absolutely fine, same as every rugby league club.

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It makes you wonder if the ones who attacked the coach actually went to the game. I was in the south stand for the game and moved to pond life for the second half, where the biggest s normally gather. I didn't hear anything threatening inside the ground.

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Quote: TF and the wire "It makes you wonder if the ones who attacked the coach actually went to the game. I was in the south stand for the game and moved to pond life for the second half, where the biggest s normally gather. I didn't hear anything threatening inside the ground.'"

Here we go again. Anything to avoid blaming your own fans.

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Quote: CW8 "Probably because Warrington is a ghastly place full of anti social behaviour. I always see myself as middle class when i visit there. The only decent thing Warrington has going for it is that there is a McDonalds on the way out.'"


I see you as middle class now too mate. McDonald's on the way out n'all.

Regarding this thread, we have some fans who are a disgrace to the club and Rugby league who are raising their ugly heads at the moment. I want them banned for life and I think most of us do, its a joke that saints fans can't just go home peacefully and feeling buoyant after the game. I won't comment on the catalans incident because there is a review happening and I really don't know exactly what's gone on, not that they will find a cause that justified the actions of the idiots getting involved. Please refrain from labelling us all that way, most wire fans are absolutely fine, same as every rugby league club.'"

It's certainly a problem that needs dealing with. There will be people who will not attend games because of what's going on. Two games coming up against Wigan and Saints that will highlight any further issues. The club need to be doing things to remove the culprits and the stigma that's attached to decent fans. The frustration for fans of other clubs were the attempts to put the blame on anyone but those involved.

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Quote: Grimmy "Anything to avoid blaming your own fans.'"


He's got a point tho (as much as you don't want to admit it from behind that fake anger).

This isn't last week, where fans inside the ground cam easily be seen causing problems. That's black and white.

This happened outside of the ground and no one can say one way or the other if it was Wire fans or some local chavs.

Sorry that doesn't fit your agenda.

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Quote: stpatricks "It's certainly a problem that needs dealing with. There will be people who will not attend games because of what's going on. Two games coming up against Wigan and Saints that will highlight any further issues. The club need to be doing things to remove the culprits and the stigma that's attached to decent fans. The frustration for fans of other clubs were the attempts to put the blame on anyone but those involved.'"

I've posted before that I wish to have the perpetrators punished.
But I find your final paragraph totally way off the mark. There might be the odd numpty who will claim that Warrington fans did nothing wrong in France, but the vast majority certainly don't. However, evidence will have to be gathered and the factors for what happened understood, before any progress can be made.
What concerns me mostly is we now have a reputation for violence, and violence breeds violence. From my experience of watching the game in the seventies, there was a tit for tat mentality with some groups of supporters at certain clubs. There was even a league table of who had the worse fans, which had the effect of the idiots from each club wanting to be top of it. Coaches being "bricked" became a regular occurrence, and I still keep my colours hidden when coming home from the stadium of an away fixture, because of the experience of that era. I sincerely hope that we aren't heading back to those dark days, but I fear that Warrington will now be a magnet for retribution from some groups of rival supporters wanting to teach Warrington supporters a lesson, making it more difficult to watch RL in a safe and orderly environment.
I agree that Warrington need to take action against any identifiable culprit (and for Catalans to do the same), but this needs time to so. This won't be done quickly enough for some folk, and the episode with the Saints coach may prove impossible for the club to be able to do anything about (hopefully the police can do something if the perpetrator(s) can be ID'd).
it's a poor situation for us to be in, but the "pitchfork waving" and misjudged claims that were blaming everyone else but ourselves, are not going help to resolve anything.

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