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About as bad as it gets in a big game. I hope the players and coaches are as embarrassed by themselves as I am for them.

O'Loughlin handed Catalans 14 points in the space of 5 minutes- dropped ball, penalty and then Langi runs straight through him.

Williams was just laughable.

Feel sorry for the Wigan fans that made the trip and I hope they enjoy the weekend regardless.

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Quote: Last Son of Wigan "Can't wait for the Lam lovers to defend this one.
I guess it's cos we had such a tough game v Wire last week... I spat my tea out when I heard Clarke mention that as some form of defence..utter BS

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Terrible to watch, clueless rubgy with a pack full of average players.

WCC, rubbish. Challenge cup, gone. Big TV spectecal at Camp Nou, embarrassing. We've failed at every major event so far. Onto next week at magic weekend, another event we can look bad in?

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Quote: ChrisA "Terrible to watch, clueless rubgy with a pack full of average players.

WCC, rubbish. Challenge cup, gone. Big TV spectecal at Camp Nou, embarrassing. We've failed at every major event so far. Onto next week at magic weekend, another event we can look bad in?'"


Sadly you're spot on. Our decline post Wane is there for all to see.

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I thought Lam got the game plan wrong. We tried to throw the ball wide before we’d earned the right to do so.

At half time I thought we would be walking away with it in the last 20. I was expecting them to tire after the amount of pressure we put them under defending their line.

Ultimately we gifted them 3 or 4 tries, too much lost ball coming off our line and too many penalties is what cost us. Once we handed them that kind of lead we were never coming back.

Williams’ inconsistency is incredibly frustrating, he’s a fine player and one of the best halves in the country on his day. Today was not his day.

That’s also probably the worst game I’ve ever seen SOL have. After last week I was thinking he could go round again, after today, not sure anymore.

Let’s not go OTT again though. We know and the club know we have a weak front row. That’s not going to change this season, against these massive packs we are always going to struggle. That’s not Lam’s fault. Whether we extend his contract or not depends on who else is available but I don’t think it’s right to judge a coach who has a remit to introduce a completely different style of play to what the players we have were signed to do.

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Williams, on his day?
Can you enlighten me as to when his day is? Which one out of the 365 in each year?

Sooner he sods off to his mates in Aus, the better.
Wonder if he’ll do what his mate Sutton did and suddenly decide he wants to put the effort in.

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Wigan really are the pits this year.

That was a performance of utter ineptitude against a team that had no halfbacks on the field.

Half our players can't catch a ball. The other half are so mentally fragile that as soon as the opposition gets ahead, their heads drop and they walk around the field like zombies.

We have no captain and we quite clearly have no coach.

Yet again, players like Clubb, O'Loughlin, Isa, Tautai, Hankinson and Navarette (good grief, he was appaling today, again!) are doing more harm than good and should be nowhere near a Wigan first team shirt in 2019, closely followed by the likes of Sarginson, Powell and Flower who, while not total rubbish, are mostly ineffective. Meanwhile, Moneybags Williams, whose agent must be an absolute genius to get Canberra to table some cash for him, was on one of his all-too-frequent off-days (I'm too sure where he was off too, but he certainly wasn't at the Nou Camp).

Somehow or other we've ended up with a really, really substandard team in 2019. There is no improvement in sight - I'm not sure this lot even have one in them - and the scramble to avoid relegation is likey to go right to the finishing line.

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Currently sat on a bus outside the Nou Camp and whilst that display won’t ruin the trip I have to say I do feel a bit cheated.

A great occasion and only one team turned up.

Forwards, awful.

Less said about the halves the better, and Sarg is a joke. Watching Sarg give Marshall a spraying after every tackle he missed was laughable.

I was all for Lam a few weeks ago. Now I think this whole season needs to be written off, including the coach.

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Quote: Trainman "I thought Lam got the game plan wrong. We tried to throw the ball wide before we’d earned the right to do so.

At half time I thought we would be walking away with it in the last 20. I was expecting them to tire after the amount of pressure we put them under defending their line.

Ultimately we gifted them 3 or 4 tries, too much lost ball coming off our line and too many penalties is what cost us. Once we handed them that kind of lead we were never coming back.

Williams’ inconsistency is incredibly frustrating, he’s a fine player and one of the best halves in the country on his day. Today was not his day.

That’s also probably the worst game I’ve ever seen SOL have. After last week I was thinking he could go round again, after today, not sure anymore.

Let’s not go OTT again though. We know and the club know we have a weak front row. That’s not going to change this season, against these massive packs we are always going to struggle. That’s not Lam’s fault. Whether we extend his contract or not depends on who else is available but I don’t think it’s right to judge a coach who has a remit to introduce a completely different style of play to what the players we have were signed to do.'"


The second part of your post is a massive issue. We are Wigan. We demand the best of our players, our coach and every single person associated with the club. If that doesn't sound like you, that's fine. But get out of the way, there's someone out there who bleeds cherry and white and has that fight and will to win we demand here in Wigan.
I hope no one forgets who we are. Our history and what we demand. No one's going over the top. A strong reaction is needed. Anything less is weak. And doesn't put emphasis on what we need.

It is Lams fault. He's no leader. The players follow the leader. The poor attitude and lack of desire, will to win creeps in if the leader let's it. And Lam has.
That squad is good enough to win the league. End of. I want a coach who can get the players to run through a brick wall for them. For thr club.
Currently we've lost all that.
Additionally we've lost all tactical ability and structure. It's a mess.

No more excuses.

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Well after posting the original post i turned the game off at half time, i was that BORED with it. Not only is the Wigan style of play boring but also the drone fest of Bill Arthur and Terry and Barry talking utter drivel made it unbearable. I decided i had other things id rather be doing than wasting my time watching passes being thrown along the floor to nobody and badly timed attacking moves so obvious that you can see them coming from a mile away 10 minutes before they happen. Im firmly in the Lam OUT camp now. Yes he was dealt a bad hand with the loss of Bateman, Tomkins and Sutton and was always on a hiding to nothing but i expect even a team full of duds like we have to at least look organised.

And if Lenegan reads this, NO, Tony Smith is not the answer. Such a move for Smith would be total desperation.

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Quote: The_Enforcer "Well after posting the original post i turned the game off at half time, i was that BORED with it. Not only is the Wigan style of play boring but also the drone fest of Bill Arthur and Terry and Barry talking utter drivel made it unbearable. I decided i had other things id rather be doing than wasting my time watching passes being thrown along the floor to nobody and badly timed attacking moves so obvious that you can see them coming from a mile away 10 minutes before they happen. Im firmly in the Lam OUT camp now. Yes he was dealt a bad hand with the loss of Bateman, Tomkins and Sutton and was always on a hiding to nothing but i expect even a team full of duds like we have to at least look organised.

And if Lenegan reads this, NO, Tony Smith is not the answer. Such a move for Smith would be total desperation.'"


I agree with most of your post. But I can't agree that he was dealt a bad hand. Even with Tomkins and Bateman missing that squad is still good enough to win the GF and at the very least be competitive.
Many many coaches would bite your hand off to take that squad/club on. He's in a Ferrari and at times can't keep up with a Fiat Punto.

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Quote: Azul "Williams, on his day?
Can you enlighten me as to when his day is? Which one out of the 365 in each year?

Sooner he sods off to his mates in Aus, the better.
Wonder if he’ll do what his mate Sutton did and suddenly decide he wants to put the effort in.'"


Williams is not the big issue. Any halfback is only as good as the lines that players around him runs. It goes back to my original post about disorganisation. The reason Williams runs in circles like a headless chicken is because the pass options around him are terrible and he is forced back inside. Players need to run the right angles and lines and at the right time for any halfback to look effective. Its Lams job to have them practice this and perfect it during the week so that come game time its second nature to them.

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Lenagan has yet to sack a coach midway through a season.

People screamed for Noble to be sacked, he wasn't.

People screamed for Wane to be sacked, he wasn't.

Interesting times.

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Quote: The_Enforcer "Williams is not the big issue. Any halfback is only as good as the lines that players around him runs. It goes back to my original post about disorganisation. The reason Williams runs in circles like a headless chicken is because the pass options around him are terrible and he is forced back inside. Players need to run the right angles and lines and at the right time for any halfback to look effective. Its Lams job to have them practice this and perfect it during the week so that come game time its second nature to them.'"


I've said this many times, any half back is only as good as the options he has, without options its easy to see what they're are going to do. As a team, on the whole, we offer little movement off the ball, which will make any half look bad.

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Quote: ChrisA "I've said this many times, any half back is only as good as the options he has, without options its easy to see what they're are going to do. As a team, on the whole, we offer little movement off the ball, which will make any half look bad.'"


Great broken field runner and great defender. His passing accuracy and organisational skills leave a lot to be desired.

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