If someone offered me 11th at the end of the season, I'd take it now. We look an absolute rabble. Even O'Loughlin looks bored and uninterested and is declining dramatically.

Where were Wigan when the likes of Fafita, Murdoch-Masila and Kasiano became available? Every one else has strengthened their squad (not just Saints and Wire, but the likes of Catalans and Salford too) whilst we have weakened ours.

Spot on and i wonder how much Wane going had to do with Sam, Bateman and Sutton suddenly wanting out? Now Williams is off, makes you wonder, or it could just be very unfortunate timing but seems too much of a coincidence.

You can blame the boot in the face cost Wigan the game. Until then it looked like Wigan were getting the upper hand. It cost Wigan 8 points, margin of defeat....can you blame Lam for that.

I sense it was the other way round. Why did Wane walk away from the job he loves? My guess is he was informed of the cut in playing budget and that he was losing Tomkins on top of losing Micky Mac before the seasonand he knew Bateman would likely be off and he’d had enough.

I'd snap their hand off.

Its not an over reaction to say we're in real trouble. Who are we going to finish above?

Leeds!

Given Greenwood and Faz are out injured that team tonight with the possible exception of Sarginson was close our best first 17. I mean you could argue Budgie would replace Marshall but other than that, this is what we have. Dropping Davis was hardly controversial and neither was dropping Sammut. The fact that is basically it and we are paying to the cap is a joke.

The idea that IL has managed the cap well is nonsense. We have players out on loan all over the place who will never be good enough for SL. It's never mind the quality, feel the width.

IL has got rid of Mcillorum and Sam Tomkins and with the inevitable loss of Bateman that is three key players who have not been replaced with Hardaker not the same type as Tomkins. If I gave full vent to my feelings about Powell and his three year deal I'd have to ban myself.

Lam is on a hiding to nothing with this squad and unless something happens recruitment-wise Edwards won't be working any miracles either. But you can add to that Lam has never coached a first grade side. OK he was PNG coach for a bit but he lacks experience and by the sounds of it has hardly any backroom staff. His name came up as a permanent replacement for Wane when Wane resigned and I never understood the enthusiasm but as I said, I think with the squad he has, he's on a hiding to nothing anyway.

Another issue might be the players are so wedded to Wane that they can't or won't play another way or for another coach. Not good enough is so. That is just speculation though. The loss of key players and their replacements either not fitting in yet or just being downright poor is more a matter of fact.

Oh come off it. SL is in a race to the bottom, the standard is dire.

We won the whole bloody thing with this shambles last year.

We need a new coach immediately, Lam isn't up to the task, it's as simple as that.

Wigan need an experienced 2nd as urgency

Sammut wasn't dropped.

Win at Wire? I don't think so.

London.

Would Sandow and/or Barba with Savelio be welcome at Wigan?
I think your desperate for a back rower since losing Farrell and a spark of magic in the halves.

Why the panic? SL is so beige we’ll pick up wins, even with this rabble of championship players. We’ll finish mid-table. It didn’t kill wire the other year, it won’t kill us. IL won’t be overly worried.