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Quote: Rogues Gallery "What is irrefutable is that when Williams was out injured last season the team fell apart. When he came back Wigan won every game including the Grand Final. That's how important he was.'"


A lack of quality in the replacements rather than Williams being indispensible

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Quote: NickyKiss "It’s a rare situation with Williams were a player is very good yet still frustrates people because you just knows he capable of being even better.

I’ve got a couple of mates who say he’s rubbish and I tell them they’re having a laugh but I still think we’re yet to see him play to his best on a consistent basis and if he’s going then time is running out.'"



Very well put.

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Quote: NickyKiss "It’s a rare situation with Williams were a player is very good yet still frustrates people because you just knows he capable of being even better.

I’ve got a couple of mates who say he’s rubbish and I tell them they’re having a laugh but I still think we’re yet to see him play to his best on a consistent basis and if he’s going then time is running out.'"

He's class pal.
When he has a quiet game, it's not so much down to him, but rather opposition targeting him and restricting the ball movement towards him. He has the most devastating short attacking game out of all SL imo.

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The poor games Williams has are often when he has very few players running alongside him. If he has't got support he gets forced inside and an easy target for a decent defence.

It's very easy to blame the man with the ball rather than players who aren't in view (when they should be!).

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Quote: Big Steve "The poor games Williams has are often when he has very few players running alongside him. If he has't got support he gets forced inside and an easy target for a decent defence.

It's very easy to blame the man with the ball rather than players who aren't in view (when they should be!).'"



A fair point, it is also a case of a lack of other creative options in the squad - we have 1, 7 and 9 who offer zero creativity, even last season we were heavily reliant on Sam T adding some creativity rather than our 7 and 9 and without him we have even less.

Williams is a good player rather than a great (he has many areas that need to improve to be considered great) but struggles sometimes as he tries to do too much due to a lack of other creative options in the team, shut down Williams and the team struggles. Only Lockers offers any real threat.

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Quote: exiled Warrior "A fair point, it is also a case of a lack of other creative options in the squad - we have 1, 7 and 9 who offer zero creativity, even last season we were heavily reliant on Sam T adding some creativity rather than our 7 and 9 and without him we have even less.

Williams is a good player rather than a great (he has many areas that need to improve to be considered great) but struggles sometimes as he tries to do too much due to a lack of other creative options in the team, shut down Williams and the team struggles. Only Lockers offers any real threat.'"


I wonder if he's not in his best position...

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Quote: exiled Warrior "A fair point, it is also a case of a lack of other creative options in the squad - we have 1, 7 and 9 who offer zero creativity, even last season we were heavily reliant on Sam T adding some creativity rather than our 7 and 9 and without him we have even less.

Williams is a good player rather than a great (he has many areas that need to improve to be considered great) but struggles sometimes as he tries to do too much due to a lack of other creative options in the team, shut down Williams and the team struggles. Only Lockers offers any real threat.'"


I think you’ve summed up not just mine but a lot of other posters opinions on GW. The more and more I see him under Lam the more I’m getting the feeling he’s a player that needs to play to a structure and not to be left to his own devices and be the sole creator. It’s times like this with TL as his HB partner I think we genuinely miss a Matty Smith type HB to partner GW. TL is incapable of organising or creating anything, he’s 2yrs past his sell by date for me. GW is trying to do the job of two HB’s and he can’t carry the can for both.

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I for one wish Matty Smith had never left always thought he gave us more than what Williams does atm!

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Quote: JIMMY MAGNETS "I for one wish Matty Smith had never left always thought he gave us more than what Williams does atm!'"

Whatever Marty Smith did or didn’t do he was by Williams side at the best spell of his Wigan career for my money at least

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Quote: JIMMY MAGNETS "I for one wish Matty Smith had never left always thought he gave us more than what Williams does atm!'"


Any credibility you may have had has now been lost forever with that one post.

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I thought his post about Matt was good.
I believe Wigan would look more settled if MS was running out will GW in the halves tonight.

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Obsession with Matty Smith needs to stop, he was very very average at best, what we needed when he left was someone who had the same traits as him but could perform them to a higher level, someone like Luke Gale or Marc Sneyd

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Quote: KingRoss11 "Obsession with Matty Smith needs to stop, he was very very average at best, what we needed when he left was someone who had the same traits as him but could perform them to a higher level, someone like Luke Gale or Marc Sneyd'"


Same traits? You mean slow, poor passing accuracy, poor decision making, poor defence and consistently kicks the ball directly to the full back or winger for catching practice but had one or two decent games when it was throwing it down with rain? I think you’re being unfair to Sneyd and Gale if you think they have the same traits as Smith!

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I bet you wish you had Matty Smith now!

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Always thought he was ok for us better than Williams that's for sure

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