He hasn't been a 1st choice fullback for a good fe years now, and that's even when he was at Catalans. He wouldn't be 1st choice fullback at any of the top teams, and even before Sam goes, he would be 3rd choice at Catalan after Gigot/Mead.

He has pace I'll give him that, but other than that I'm not sure.

None of the current sqaud would get into the great Wigan sides of yesteryear

100%

There’s a number who’d in numerous teams that won trophies from the 80’s/90’s.

Have to agree with you,good thread this being honest with each other helps us all see the limits of the current squad.

Good player I reckon but suffers mainly through not being played in the same position.
Played in different positions or not played at all is no way to get the best out of him.

It might have already been said higher up (or not!) but I'm of the current opinion that there needs to be a full root and branch review of the club and the vast majority shipped out and we start again. If the culture "driven by senior players" is as bad as we are being led to believe then having a proper period of transition is acceptable in my eyes if firm boundaries are put in place.

I think it is very difficult to judge the current ability of te squad due to where we sit with our coach.

Wane has brought success but not sure he has managed to bring the best out of the players and with him now going the team is already in a state of transition.

The players Madge took on instantly became better as a team and as individuals. Same at Saints once Cunningham was shown the door.

I personally think the players have stagnated a little and hopefully the new man will bring the best out of them with fresh ideas and methods.

When lauding Madge and his transformation of the team, it's easy to forget that midway through 2010 we "acquired" Brett Finch, Ryan Hoffman and Jeff Lima.... I'm not diminishing his role in changing things, nor disagreeing with you, but these signings may have helped matters...

What I don't understand about Madge is how it hasn't kept on working for him in Aus.

He transformed Nobby's Wigan team and initially seemed to have a similarly positive impact at the Bunnies, but then things started going wrong.

I'm not sure I buy the criticism that he overloads the players with training. That seemed to work wonders for Wigan, and I can't imagine any NRL players complaining about how fit they are getting.

I'd have him back like a shot, but I can't help wondering if there's some other factor that means he never stays anywhere for long.

Didnt they only play in 2011?

Oh, need to check, but i thought they came mid season...

You may well be right, my apologies..

Signed mid season.... Again, apologies.

It's Ok but I get your point, back in those days Wigan could still attract a quality player or 2 and now we can't attract flies so it's difficult to compare hands. But just to side track, I will never forgive Finch for his last performance against Leeds in which he should of kicked for a scrum but instead went for a hail mary speculator which cost Wane a super league title in 2012. He actually jokes about how bad he played for Wigan on the Fox - Matty Johns show, on a weekly basis, which is equally funny because Johns was just as bad. Both of which are self confessed total alcoholics.

My memories is failing, as you can see... But i thought that the main reason they were available was due to cap issues in Oz...