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Talk about an overreaction

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Quote: DaveO "Because (if it happens) last week he was here till the end of the season and next week he's out the door after the CC exit. They could say what they liked and they might even mean it but the no one would believe he wasn't shown the door.'"

Why don't you get that not everyone agrees with you? If Wane goes tomorrow saying "I've had enough" how do you come to the absolute conclusion that what has really happened is that IL has shown him the door? Is there no possible (or permitted) alternative to your view? Actually, I think I know your answer to that one.

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Quote: Cbr1000rr "Deluded'"

He's 'deluded' that Warrington were superb? I don't think so.

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Quote: Asgardian13 "He's 'deluded' that Warrington were superb? I don't think so.'"


Scoring only 4 tries against that Wigan performance? Anyone who thinks warrington where outstanding is deluded. They did a job but by heck, the likes of Widnes, Salford & Leigh should’ve beaten us yesterday. It says a lot about British RL that people think warrington where excellent.

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Quote: Azul "Scoring only 4 tries against that Wigan performance? Anyone who thinks warrington where outstanding is deluded. They did a job but by heck, the likes of Widnes, Salford & Leigh should’ve beaten us yesterday. It says a lot about British RL that people think warrington where excellent.'"


I tend to agree with you; despite Warringtons pack completely dominating ours, they weren’t “outstanding” but more so efficient at what they did. An outstanding Warrington team yesterday beats that Wigan display by 40-50pts.

Going back to the original point, if SW was involved in the cover up then I also agree that come Monday he should be let go. If not then there’s no reason (yet) for him to leave early, that could well change dependant on the Wakey result.

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Warrington were far better than Wigan were and at Magic, we were far better than they were. Yesterday was as bad as I’ve seen us with the ball and defensively we allowed them too many offloads and that hurt us. That said, we were dogged in defence the whole game,

We are currently 2nd and if we win our game in hand (if), we are 8 points ahead of 5th. I still believe SW is the best person for the job for the remainder of this season and I’m confident that yesterday will be the low point. Back on the horse on Thursday and let’s see how we go. A repeat of yesterday and I may change my mind but a performance like that at Magic will leave egg on a few faces. I suspect we’ll see something in between.

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Quote: Bigredwarrior "Warrington were far better than Wigan were and at Magic, we were far better than they were. Yesterday was as bad as I’ve seen us with the ball and defensively we allowed them too many offloads and that hurt us. That said, we were dogged in defence the whole game,

We are currently 2nd and if we win our game in hand (if), we are 8 points ahead of 5th. I still believe SW is the best person for the job for the remainder of this season and I’m confident that yesterday will be the low point. Back on the horse on Thursday and let’s see how we go. A repeat of yesterday and I may change my mind but a performance like that at Magic will leave egg on a few faces. I suspect we’ll see something in between.'"

The problem is Bigred fewer and fewer people are really bothered if we can turn it around on Thursday or any other match.
One of the worst performances I have ever seen from a Wigan team.
There is something seriously wrong at club and I suspect very few people know what is really going on.
SW is getting the flack but the players should be getting a damn sight more.
It was a soul destroying performance and I just cant see a turnaround by Thursday.
Thank god it wasn't Saints yesterday as they would have got 50 or 60 without getting out of 2nd gear

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Quote: Itchy Arsenal "The problem is Bigred fewer and fewer people are really bothered if we can turn it around on Thursday or any other match.
One of the worst performances I have ever seen from a Wigan team.
There is something seriously wrong at club and I suspect very few people know what is really going on.
SW is getting the flack but the players should be getting a damn sight more.
It was a soul destroying performance and I just cant see a turnaround by Thursday.
Thank god it wasn't Saints yesterday as they would have got 50 or 60 without getting out of 2nd gear'"


No argument from me with this mate, it was a painful afternoon. The question I’d ask though, is if SW was sacked on Monday, how will that improve us for the rest of the season? It probably wouldn’t and we’d end up with John Winder in temporary charge so culturally, nothing will change.

We need to move on and get over it and quick but what yesterday showed us is that SW leaving is good for the club. We need something new, fresh ideas. Players leaving at the same time can be a real positive because the incoming coach will have some money to spend on players than can help make the changes the new coach wants.

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Let's be honest, there's no point in sacking a coach who is leaving in five months anyway, and for whom a replacement has not yet been found.. But I certainly expect someone to have a word and enquire what the plan is for the renainder of the season, because that's one of our main targets gone within two weeks of SW announcing his resignation. That wasn't just a loss yesterday, that was a serious blow to the club's ambitions and the fans' morale - and it was given up softly to a set of opponents we easily had the beating of only a fortnight ago.

We're supposed to be professionals, and however annoyed and/or upset people are, that can't be allowed to become the new narrative of 2018.

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Quote: Bigredwarrior "No argument from me with this mate, it was a painful afternoon. The question I’d ask though, is if SW was sacked on Monday, how will that improve us for the rest of the season? It probably wouldn’t and we’d end up with John Winder in temporary charge so culturally, nothing will change.

We need to move on and get over it and quick but what yesterday showed us is that SW leaving is good for the club. We need something new, fresh ideas. Players leaving at the same time can be a real positive because the incoming coach will have some money to spend on players than can help make the changes the new coach wants.'"

I believe that Winder does most of the coaching anyway so even if SW departs and Winder gets the job in the short term then I cant see any major changes in style of play.
I think what really upset me about yesterday was that it wasn't a shock, it was painful but it didn't surprise me.
For a supposedly fit team there was no energy from the first minute and for a team with supposed structures being the very heart of the style of rugby we play we had zero structure in attack.
Whoever gets the gig his first priority must be to sign someone who actually knows how to kick a rugby ball. His second priority must be to burn the wrestling pit.

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Quote: Itchy Arsenal "I believe that Winder does most of the coaching anyway so even if SW departs and Winder gets the job in the short term then I cant see any major changes in style of play.
I think what really upset me about yesterday was that it wasn't a shock, it was painful but it didn't surprise me.
For a supposedly fit team there was no energy from the first minute and for a team with supposed structures being the very heart of the style of rugby we play we had zero structure in attack.
Whoever gets the gig his first priority must be to sign someone who actually knows how to kick a rugby ball. His second priority must be to burn the wrestling pit.'"


Spot on. I had a bad feeling before the game and expected to get beat if I’m honest. However, I didn’t expect us to just bend over in front of them the way we did! Tyrone Roberts showed us how critical the role of a good scrum half can be, particularly with his kicking game. 3 occasions we had Farrell kicking!! What’s that all about?

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The tactics were appalling, one man drives it in 5 times, then pass it left, left, left and left again and then put a crap kick in - repeat until final whistle. Under no circumstances pass it right.

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Our last tackle options have been garbage for years and yesterday was the worst ever.

Passing the ball to players stood still / not expecting it.
Farrell's 3-4 awful punts to nothing.
Williams' two types of kick - scuffed grubber into defenders ankles or floated chip kick to opposition winger under no pressure.

Absolute dogmuck!

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Madge is part-time as Head Coach for NZ, surely we could entice him for the rest of the season, he would certainly sort the discipline and lack of effort out, and would clear out the dead wood straight away!

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The club needs to do what's best for the club. Wane is coming to the end of his reign, but ask yourself, would sacking Wane now cause more disruption and confusion to the set up? Possibly yes. Some players who are very pro Wane would be disgruntled, such major decisions should never be knee-jerk.

Spend the time wisely, find and appoint the best coach possible. Work with said coach behind the scenes in signing and building their Wigan. This is a lengthy process. Time needs to be taken to get it right to build the necessary foundations for years to come.

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