| FORUMS > Wigan Warriors > Thats Why We Are Champions... |
 |
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Player Coach | 15214 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Jan 2006 | 18 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Jul 2024 | Jul 2024 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
: |
|
| Quote: NickyKiss "We sat in the Cas end of the ground and you could just see the shock in their eyes. The season has basically just been a walk in the park up until the play offs but they'd clearly been convinced that they really were that much better then everyone else (rather then the fact that teams like Leeds, Saints and Wigan have been playing the system for years).
We take some flak from fans of clubs like Cas for a lack of atmosphere, leaving early or for glory hunters turning up when we're doing well. I think they set new records in all areas on Saturday night.'"
Their so-called 'reinvention of the game' was what stuck in my craw.
They've played superbly all season, and I'm in awe of that, and jealous.
But they haven't reinvented anything. They've just played very well, and been lucky on the absentee front - though last weekend was a firm lesson in how your luck can suddenly change (and look at the impact that one missing player had - puts our massive injury toll into a bit of perspective). |
|
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Player Coach | 4784 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Dec 2008 | 16 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Mar 2020 | Dec 2019 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
: |
|
| Quote: Cruncher "Their so-called 'reinvention of the game' was what stuck in my craw.
They've played superbly all season, and I'm in awe of that, and jealous.
But they haven't reinvented anything. They've just played very well, and been lucky on the absentee front - though last weekend was a firm lesson in how your luck can suddenly change (and look at the impact that one missing player had - puts our massive injury toll into a bit of perspective).'"
The way they keep the ball alive and encourage open play is a joy to watch. Keeping defences guessing and on their toes with strong second phase play off their offloads always looks threatening. On the other hand, our mechanical structured play is both predictable and at times boring to watch.
I miss the days of two halves who could play more off the cuff, creating and playing what it's front of them etc. FWIW I don't blame our players for that.. |
|
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| International Star | 1979 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Oct 2012 | 12 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Jan 2018 | Jan 2018 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
68548_1368547004.jpg
"Imagine there's no heaven, it's easy if you try
No hell below us, above us only pie"(John Ono Lennon born Wigan 1940):d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_68548.jpg |
|
|
Quote: Last Son of Wigan "The way they keep the ball alive and encourage open play is a joy to watch. Keeping defences guessing and on their toes with strong second phase play off their offloads always looks threatening. On the other hand, our mechanical structured play is both predictable and at times boring to watch.
I miss the days of two halves who could play more off the cuff, creating and playing what it's front of them etc. FWIW I don't blame our players for that..'"
I have a problem in accepting the 'story' that has been propagated by the Sky commentary team and blindly accepted.
Cas do indeed pass the ball more but would it surprise you to learn that Wigan offload the ball more than Cas do?
In fact a check of the Super League Stats site revealed that over the season Wigan offloaded 348 times and Cas 320 times. Wigan are second only to Leeds. Facts eh, they can get in the way of a good argument. But this particular 'fact' might suggest that the coach isn't telling the players not to offload at all. That the players haven't then been able to capitalise is hardly the fault of the coach.
www.rugby-league.com/superleague ... club_stats |
|
Quote: Last Son of Wigan "The way they keep the ball alive and encourage open play is a joy to watch. Keeping defences guessing and on their toes with strong second phase play off their offloads always looks threatening. On the other hand, our mechanical structured play is both predictable and at times boring to watch.
I miss the days of two halves who could play more off the cuff, creating and playing what it's front of them etc. FWIW I don't blame our players for that..'"
I have a problem in accepting the 'story' that has been propagated by the Sky commentary team and blindly accepted.
Cas do indeed pass the ball more but would it surprise you to learn that Wigan offload the ball more than Cas do?
In fact a check of the Super League Stats site revealed that over the season Wigan offloaded 348 times and Cas 320 times. Wigan are second only to Leeds. Facts eh, they can get in the way of a good argument. But this particular 'fact' might suggest that the coach isn't telling the players not to offload at all. That the players haven't then been able to capitalise is hardly the fault of the coach.
www.rugby-league.com/superleague ... club_stats | |
|
|
|
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Club Captain | 95 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Aug 2015 | 9 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Aug 2023 | Aug 2023 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
: |
|
| Quote: Aboveusonlypie "I have a problem in accepting the 'story' that has been propagated by the Sky commentary team and blindly accepted.
Cas do indeed pass the ball more but would it surprise you to learn that Wigan offload the ball more than Cas do?
In fact a check of the Super League Stats site revealed that over the season Wigan offloaded 348 times and Cas 320 times. Wigan are second only to Leeds. Facts eh, they can get in the way of a good argument. But this particular 'fact' might suggest that the coach isn't telling the players not to offload at all. That the players haven't then been able to capitalise is hardly the fault of the coach.
offloading the ball didnt stop cas from stuffing you 3 times this season, combined score of 119 - 34?
|
|
|
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| International Star | 1979 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Oct 2012 | 12 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Jan 2018 | Jan 2018 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
68548_1368547004.jpg
"Imagine there's no heaven, it's easy if you try
No hell below us, above us only pie"(John Ono Lennon born Wigan 1940):d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_68548.jpg |
|
| Quote: fbstackafelt "offloading the ball didnt stop cas from stuffing you 3 times this season, combined score of 119 - 34?'"
I know, they also stuffed Leeds four times! |
|
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Player Coach | 15214 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Jan 2006 | 18 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Jul 2024 | Jul 2024 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
: |
|
| Quote: fbstackafelt "offloading the ball didnt stop cas from stuffing you 3 times this season, combined score of 119 - 34?'"
Cas have been the best team in the competition by a country mile - until the games that matter.
That's an issue for Cas, whether they like to admit it or not. |
|
|
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| International Star | 1979 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Oct 2012 | 12 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Jan 2018 | Jan 2018 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
68548_1368547004.jpg
"Imagine there's no heaven, it's easy if you try
No hell below us, above us only pie"(John Ono Lennon born Wigan 1940):d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_68548.jpg |
|
| Quote: Cruncher "Cas have been the best team in the competition by a country mile - until the games that matter.
That's an issue for Cas, whether they like to admit it or not.'"
I remember the Zimbabwean batsman Graeme Hick who regularly flayed bowlers to all parts until he played test cricket, when it got too tough for him. It was because of him that the term 'flat track bully' came into usage.
Cas are the 'flat track bullies' of Rugby League! |
|
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Club Captain | 95 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Aug 2015 | 9 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Aug 2023 | Aug 2023 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
: |
|
| Quote: Aboveusonlypie "
Cas are the 'flat track bullies' of Rugby League!'"
they certainly bullied your set of thugs |
|
|
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Club Owner | 1661 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Feb 2003 | 21 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Mar 2018 | Oct 2017 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
: |
|
|
The Salford team of around 67 - 74 was similar. Great individual talents in Watkins, Fielden, Richards, Nash they were record points scorers, a joy to watch and were Champions a couple of times in the first past the post system. Sadly they always came unstuck in the big cup games (ironically to Cas amongst others on several occasions).
|
|
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Club Coach | 6121 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Oct 2004 | 20 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| May 2024 | Apr 2024 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
10174_1376908073.png
23 - 20 - 4
Warrington led 16-2 in Saturday's Grand Final, but their joy was short-lived as Wigan roared back to win the Super League title and extend the Wire's 58-year wait to be champions:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_10174.png |
|
| Quote: fbstackafelt "offloading the ball didnt stop cas from stuffing you 3 times this season, combined score of 119 - 34?'"
Hahahaha aaah funny. I prefer the statistic of championship trophies lifted in 2017:
Wigan 1 (World)
Cas 0 |
|
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Club Coach | 29441 | |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Nov 2004 | 20 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Jul 2024 | Jul 2024 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
10919_1322084665.jpg
:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_10919.jpg |
|
| Quote: fbstackafelt "they certainly bullied your set of thugs'"
Zero Red Cards
Seven Yellow Cards (lower end of the league)
Eighth in the list of penalties conceded (below Cas)
Zero members of our squad at the start of 2017 caught taking drugs (2 from Cas)
1 major trophy (Cas won a new tray for the tea lady to bring out the brews on) |
|
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Club Coach | 6121 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Oct 2004 | 20 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| May 2024 | Apr 2024 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
10174_1376908073.png
23 - 20 - 4
Warrington led 16-2 in Saturday's Grand Final, but their joy was short-lived as Wigan roared back to win the Super League title and extend the Wire's 58-year wait to be champions:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_10174.png |
|
| Game, set, match, Classless Cas  |
|
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Club Captain | 95 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Aug 2015 | 9 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Aug 2023 | Aug 2023 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
: |
|
| Quote: NickyKiss "Zero Red Cards
Seven Yellow Cards (lower end of the league)
but 75% more than cas
Eighth in the list of penalties conceded (below Cas)
5% less penalties, well done for not getting caught!
Zero members of our squad at the start of 2017 caught taking drugs (2 from Cas)
0 from Cas at the start of 2017 and only 1 during the season Chase was with Widnes
1 major trophy (Cas won a new tray for the tea lady to bring out the brews on)
1 trophy won by beating 1 team as compared to 1 'tea tray' won by winning 25 of 30 superleague games '"
lets @cherry pick' a few more statistics
29% more tries than the 'mighty' wigan
67%more goals
38% more try assists
31% more tackle busts
32% more clean breaks
points difference of 429 compared to your massive 23
Quote: NickyKiss "Game, set, match, Classy Cas ![]()
|
|
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Club Coach | 6121 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Oct 2004 | 20 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| May 2024 | Apr 2024 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
10174_1376908073.png
23 - 20 - 4
Warrington led 16-2 in Saturday's Grand Final, but their joy was short-lived as Wigan roared back to win the Super League title and extend the Wire's 58-year wait to be champions:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_10174.png |
|
| Classless Tigers - clean break champions 2017 |
|
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Club Owner | 3726 | |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Feb 2003 | 21 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Jul 2024 | Jun 2024 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
4067_1617434324.jpeg
1998,2010,2013,2016,2018 & 2023.....I was there
⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_4067.jpeg |
|
| Quote: fbstackafelt "lets @cherry pick' a few more statistics
29% more tries than the 'mighty' wigan
67%more goals
38% more try assists
31% more tackle busts
32% more clean breaks
points difference of 429 compared to your massive 23
'"
You needed to add:
100% bottled it when it mattered |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
