Gelling and Clubb are forever injured though.

Shouldn't have got rid of Crosby and Tommy has done absolutely nothing since his return in we are being honest with ourselves.

seems like they arent playing for him anymore, dont seem up for games.

agree very unfit

I was a big advocate of TL coming back as he ran the show last year for the Warriors and allowed his half partner to play the free role.

This year however it seems Williams is having to do it all and occasionally trying too hard.

TL needs to up his game in my opinion and start standing up more in matches.

A constant frustration for me is the lack of discipline. I appreciate some teams win penalties by quick play the balls etc but we have 3 players in particular who seem to give away penalties, often late in the count when we are not pressured into giving them away.

Tautai, who has had a worrying dip in for since he signed his contract, Tomkins, who I think was lucky last night as he seemed to chuck a sly uppercut that connected in a tackle, and in particular Isa just don't seem to be able to help themselves at times.

Farrell as good as he is also has a tendency to chuck in a daft one now and again so potentially in a pack of 7 we have 4 lads more than capable of giving away a daft one.

In relation to Wane, he has earned the right to be judged at the end of the year. We have showed we can perform at the very highest level earlier in the year, he deserves the chance at getting us back up there when we get bodies back on the field.

The kicking issue is a massive balls up, we have had numerous offseasons since Pat left and still not managed to plan our squad to include a recognised place kicker. The finger of blame for that does lay at Wanes door.

Agree regarding Tommy, however I never rated him at NZW or with his previous stint with us as a 7, as a 9 he's great. I'd honestly sooner see a creative 7, (i.e. putting 6 Williams, 7 Tomkins 1 Escare)

I do think Wane has made an error with the goal kicking with his first choice 13 there's no goal kicker. Big issue.

I'd say the 4 is deffo gone but when you get your best players back you'll have a helluva say in who eventually wins it.

Not a chance - seriously

Grimmy you need to face facts, Wakey would've won everything had Miller not gotten injured.

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Wtf does a Wakey fan know about winning trophies? Seriously.

This. Hopefully we can channel everything in to a Challenge Cup win. Anything else, I feel, may be beyond us. If that doesn't happen, we take it on the chin and go again next year. I am fed with going on about injuries. Last year was bad but this season has been beyond belief. SW has earned some breathing space, of that there is no doubt.

Quote: Bigredwarrior "Yes it's Wane's fault Clubb needed a kidney removed! It's his fault Leuluai broke his jaw, it's his fault Flower snapped an Achilles' tendon during a game, it's his fault Bateman needed shoulder surgery following an injury during a game, it was his fault Manfredi damaged his knee in a twist during a tackle last year, it's his fault McIlorum broke his ankle during a game.... Get a grip, the above cannot be put down to training techniques and it's a collision sport in which players get hurt. We play the game tough and I wouldn't want it any other way. We are champions and world champions because of Wane, not in spite of him. The last few weeks we've been poor but the young lads need a rest and will get one soon. Judge the team and Wane at the end of the season. I'd say the top 4 might be gone but we could still win the challenge cup and in the circumstances that wouldn't be the end of the world.'" It seems SW has admitted that he should have seen the signs that something wasn't right with Clubb: www.wigantoday.net/sport/rugby-l ... -1-8623290

Quote: Bigredwarrior "Yes it's Wane's fault Clubb needed a kidney removed! It's his fault Leuluai broke his jaw, it's his fault Flower snapped an Achilles' tendon during a game, it's his fault Bateman needed shoulder surgery following an injury during a game, it was his fault Manfredi damaged his knee in a twist during a tackle last year, it's his fault McIlorum broke his ankle during a game.... Get a grip, the above cannot be put down to training techniques and it's a collision sport in which players get hurt. We play the game tough and I wouldn't want it any other way. We are champions and world champions because of Wane, not in spite of him. The last few weeks we've been poor but the young lads need a rest and will get one soon. Judge the team and Wane at the end of the season. I'd say the top 4 might be gone but we could still win the challenge cup and in the circumstances that wouldn't be the end of the world.'" It seems SW has admitted that he should have seen the signs that something wasn't right with Clubb: www.wigantoday.net/sport/rugby-l ... -1-8623290

Hindsight is always 20/20...

It's also not helped that last season was similar so over 2yearssome players have played a lot more than would normally be expected the resins for so many and for so long is probably going to be different from each player but it does seem odd that it's a similar issue this year as last but it's just starting to take it's toll I don't think wane cane be totally responsible many players play with niggles and say they feel better than they really do but sometimes that extra game or two would pay off in the long run !

And yes goal kickers are vital I remember botica being a great kicker a good player who without his kicking possibly wouldn't have been in that Wigan team at that time?? The strong certainty of a try being converted is crucial and can translate to 4-10 league points and be the difference between winning and losing crucial games and finals !!

I hope you get players back and thi kicking issue sorted after we play you tho lol