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Some bad decisions were made, and most went the way of Saints, but I doubt many would have been different had there been no video ref. The best side on the night won too, but that doesn't mean that they should have, it's not unusual for the best team in a game to end up losing. I'm not shocked if the accusations of a conspiracies are emanating from the redvee, I'd expect nowt else, but for me there's nought in it. I can remember something about a last minute drop goal, and slide rules and camera angles n the not so distant past.

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Bad decisions happen all the time. But they were THAT bad, you have to question the integrity of the officials. Joe Cobb should be ashamed of himself. If Wigan had been on the end of those Gidley, Lineham & Peyroux decisions - in such a massive game - everyone on here would be seething.

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If the video ref hadn't been there I doubt anyone at the ground would have batted an eyelid at all three on field try/no try decisions. What got me last night was the seemingly random decisions to go back and check for knock-ons, off-sides etc in general play.
What was all that about ?

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Quote: apollosghost "If the video ref hadn't been there I doubt anyone at the ground would have batted an eyelid at all three on field try/no try decisions. What got me last night was the seemingly random decisions to go back and check for knock-ons, off-sides etc in general play.
What was all that about ?'"



The linesman closest to us was screaming decisions at thaler all the way through the game. Thaler seemed to be questioning himself a lot as he seemed in two minds what to give. The ruck area was terrible last night which is on his shoulders again as a lot of the time he wasn't even looking at the play the ball area, he spend a lot of the time with the back of his head to the ruck.

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Quote: jinkin jimmy "I'm with you. Gidley grounded short then bounced up as he crossed the line, never grounding the ball. Lineham for me lost control of the ball whilst Peyroux appeared to cross the line with his effort.
As a separate issue I'm disappointed to see we've got Hicks again, he's a real game spoiler.'"


Gidleys try was o.k He got the ball on the line before Lomax turned him over.

I thought thre Lineham one was 50:50 as Swift deliberately slapped the ball, Peyroux should have been given as benefit of the doubt.

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Quote: jinkin jimmy "I'm with you. Gidley grounded short then bounced up as he crossed the line, never grounding the ball. Lineham for me lost control of the ball whilst Peyroux appeared to cross the line with his effort.
As a separate issue I'm disappointed to see we've got Hicks again, he's a real game spoiler.'"


Gidleys try was o.k He got the ball on the line before Lomax turned him over.

I thought thre Lineham one was 50:50 as Swift deliberately slapped the ball, Peyroux should have been given as benefit of the doubt.

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Quote: apollosghost "If the video ref hadn't been there I doubt anyone at the ground would have batted an eyelid at all three on field try/no try decisions. What got me last night was the seemingly random decisions to go back and check for knock-ons, off-sides etc in general play.
What was all that about ?'"


My biggest gripe with the game at the moment.

Video ref should ONLY be used for try or no try - not general play decisions.
Reason I say this is that at the moment it is a lottery when the video ref comes in and looks or overturns decisions.
Some time they do some times they don't - and I believe at times teams/players are going down or questioning ref, looking to break up the game, stop the game to give time for the video ref to look at a decision when it goes against them - Yet other times they don't.
If they are going to come in for EVERY decision then fair enough but we'll end up like American Football.

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My equal Biggest gripe is linked to this as I wouldn't have the Big Screen showing the game at the ground.

Ball gets knocked down or goes in touch and ref is Harangued by players and then walks over to linesman pretending to talk to him when we all know he's waiting for the SKY replay so he can check what he's give!

People complain about why games are taking so long - Do these 2 things above and you can bet each game would finish 10mins earlier!!!
Then we could get match reports in at decent times etc. for the press - no excuses from them then!

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Quote: Rogues Gallery "Gidleys try was o.k He got the ball on the line before Lomax turned him over.

I thought thre Lineham one was 50:50 as Swift deliberately slapped the ball, Peyroux should have been given as benefit of the doubt.

Sorry still not buying the Gidley try Rogues.

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It frustrated me that Stevo post game likened the Peyroux no decision to the Tierney one saying they were both clearly wrong calls.

Peyroux got that ball down 100% (well maybe 99%) whereas Tierneys call was 60/40 in our favour at worst. They showed two clear images that showed his fingers as inside the line yet Stevo clung to a blurred imagine that had stretched the ball, pitch, white lines and Tierneys hand out of all proportion as evidence that it 'clearly' should have been turned round.

The quality of the image he hung his hat on was as good as a 1970's porno on an old scotch tape he'd just found under his bed.

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Quote: jinkin jimmy "Sorry still not buying the Gidley try Rogues.'"


Stop the video on 22 seconds. The ball is clearly on the line.

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Quote: jinkin jimmy "Sorry still not buying the Gidley try Rogues.'"


Stop the video on 22 seconds. The ball is clearly on the line.

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Quote: EHW "I think saying "clearly" is stretching it a bit there, but I can see why under the current system the video referee had no choice but to award it as a try.

Under the current rules, Lineham would have had to be given as a try too. Thaler would have sent it upstairs as 'try' and Cobb would have awarded it on the basis that there wasn't 100% evidence that he definitely dropped it.

The Peyroux one is a head scratcher, and should see Cobb sent down to the lower leagues next season.

That said, we (Saints) were awful for large periods of the game and looked completely clueless in the 2nd half so it would have been fairly embarrasing for the sport had we got to the Grand Final'"


I'm not sure something like that is as embarrassing as important games being decided by idiot match officials.

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i think its sad that a good game with lots of effort ,skill etc is not mentioned just how bad the refereeing was

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Quote: Rogues Gallery "Stop the video on 22 seconds. The ball is clearly on the line.


Does look on the line at 21 seconds. Anybody got a freeze frame picture of the warrington penalty goal.

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Quote: Judder Man "Does look on the line at 21 seconds. Anybody got a freeze frame picture of the warrington penalty goal.'"


At the ground the kick looked wide of the post. On the tv highlights even Patton was laughing.

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Quote: EHW "I think saying "clearly" is stretching it a bit there, but I can see why under the current system the video referee had no choice but to award it as a try.

Under the current rules, Lineham would have had to be given as a try too. Thaler would have sent it upstairs as 'try' and Cobb would have awarded it on the basis that there wasn't 100% evidence that he definitely dropped it.

The Peyroux one is a head scratcher, and should see Cobb sent down to the lower leagues next season.

That said, we (Saints) were awful for large periods of the game and looked completely clueless in the 2nd half so it would have been fairly embarrasing for the sport had we got to the Grand Final.'"


Joe Cobb got his part spot on, it was Thailer who got it wrong. Once it went up as no try, the current rule says there has to be conclusive evidence to overturn the original decision. The footage shows the ball going down towards the line but then is obscured by player's legs. Therefore whist its highly likely it was grounded on the line, there was no definitive shot of it being grounded so the decision could not be overturned.
I had no issues with Gidley's or Lineham's. Had they been scored by their own club, most fans would all have argued that they were legitimate tries.

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