I nearly 40 years of watching the game, I have seen us come close to beating the aussies in a test series but the fact is we are still waiting - the 'game' between Salford and leigh was a joke, tick and pass, panic play, no quality

So did Leigh and Halifax "not even come close" to beating Hull KR and Widnes last week or not?

Unlike Leeds, Warrington and St Helens Wigan don't even own their own stadium so the facilities point is a little moot. I'm sure there is a nice training ground but the other clubs certainly have those.

FWIW, people outside Rugby League have been predicting its demise for the past 120 years and the idea that this should happen now when the sport remains a very valuable TV commodity is preposterous.

I can see why Wigan fans might consider current times difficult though - the entertainment value offered by Waneball is perhaps a little lacking, the club lacks the stadium which provides a heart and soul to the other big clubs whilst, for some reason, all too many home-produced players are happy to leave when they get a decent offer.

No, both teams lost - simples

Us STILL being the biggest name in British RL hurts don't it..

The past is there on record... You need to be concerned about the future.

You forgot to add "least humble" to the list!

Looks like someone's had a successful outing with the rods, several lines out and bites on every one

Some fair points made, in my view. Wigan needs its own stadium, certainly. On the demise of RL, when union first went (officially) professional, all the pundits were up on their hind legs predicting the imminent demise of league and its absorption into RU. It didn't happen then and it's not about to happen now.

Correct. There is plenty of life in the old game yet. Crowds may be down but IIRC they are still better than 15/20 years ago.

Walk through the streets of Bath (just a few miles up the road from me), and yes, you see plenty of people wearing Bath Rugby jerseys. But they're mostly overweight middle-aged men. You don't see teenage girls wearing them like you do in Wigan. People down here don't live and breath union in anything like the same way that communities in the North have embraced league. In other words, I think the foundations of the game in terms of core support are strong.

Nobody, as soon as union comes on in my local club they switch it over to golf that's how bad union is.

I do but don't let that stop you making sweeping statements.

Lovely how people will blast RU then sit and watch Wakefield vs Leigh