Honestly I understand your point about Wane, and I've heard similar, but I can only go off the facts, hence my discussion of what occurred with the players you've mentioned.

If Williams is selected over Hampshire in the halves next week I think that would go a long way to prove the point you make.

Fair enough. Like i said, we both know the truth and you are indeed right with your points. With Sam coming back i expect we may here more on this next year from Hampshire and/or Tierney. Time will tell.

Deacon is still very inexperienced as a head coach. Let's get in an experience successful coach from the NRL, let Deacon learn from said coach before taking over.

Wigan will do well to keep Hampshire unless something happens. i.e. he stops favouring Williams/Smith in the halves and gives Hampshire a run in the halves.
I don't see a where Tierney fits in. As a full back we'll have Sam with Hampshire as a back up, and in time someone else will come through the system.
On the wings we'll have Manfredi and Charnley with cover in other established better players.

Let's let Deacon cut his teeth elsewhere then have a crack at the Wigan job.

Next coach has to have NRL experience.

Let Deacon learn from an experience NRL coach at Wigan. Someone who can teach him another perspective to what he's learnt under SW.

This thread is like the ones on our board after the HKR defeat. We thought something was seriously wrong, something deep routed too.

Can't agree. I think the Wigan job is far too big a job to step into as your first Head Coach job without experience in a senior position in the top league in the World.

Is it now time to bring back The One

I have supported Wigan RL since 1984, and was a season ticket holder for over 15 years. Because of work commitments, I got to see fewer Friday night games. Since retiring to Anglesey, I've seen a few games, mainly on TV, however I had the misfortune to be at the match against Salford. I have NEVER seen such a shambolic performance from 17 players who were stealing a wage. I thought, after that, the next game, with a break and especially against Wire, they would storm it. So I decided to go to the match (In disgust, I left early). what a waste of money, time and effort! Matty Bowen dealt with all the high balls (which makes a change!) but the rest of the team were diabolical. As has been said elsewhere our forwards were pussies, Wires second row were bigger than our props. Our halves were non existent, our coach didn't have a clue (didn't really seem to have a plan "A" let alone a B or C!

Wigan now play one dimensional rugby, which has been sussed by all the other big teams, we don't scare them any more, we are now quite easy to defend against and, more worrying, very easy to attack against.

In short, if SW cannot or will not change recruitment policy, tactics, discipline, attitude and aggression (legal), then, I am sorry to say, he must go.

You lads need a pick up, some sparkling off the cuff RL with the ball being thrown about left and right by players comfortable in passing and catching.

Leigh v Featherstone on Sunday 12th July, 3pm ko would be just the tonic you fans need, free under 16 with adult tickets btw

The situation with Wane is very similar to that with Noble and I have been saying that for a while. I got slagged off for saying Noble was taking us nowhere fast at the end of 2007 because for some people the fact he came to the rescue in 2006 meant what I was saying was sacrilege when in fact if you judged the way the team was playing in a cold hard manner it was not good enough.

It's the same with Wane. The double has made him bullet proof for far too long despite things going backwards ever since.

I think it's actually worse with Wane. I think he has been exposed as outdated and tactically limited even more than noble.

I also think he has lost the dressing room. The players not only look clueless but not interested.

His selections are just strange with Powell for example and I think he only likes players who run themselves into the ground in training and hasn't much of a clue how to manage players for whom that would not be the best way to approach training. Once you face doesn't fit you are out in my view which is why I think Taylor went the way he did.

The structure of the competition is such we could get in the top 4 and win it but if we did it would be a huge fluke. In the past poor league games were dismissed as if we were keeping our powder dry saving ourselves for the end of season playoffs. I don't think anyone thinks that now.

This is the worst I've seen from Wigan's pack. I mean, even though you went down against Hull KR's bullying - at least you put up token resistance. Against Warrington it seemed like every time the dummy half looked up expecting a receiver [ino one was there. [/i

Any coach watching tonight's match and the Challenge Cup game must conclude that providing you don't make major defensive blunders outside, it is entirely possible to intimidate Wigan's forwards into submission.

In the last twenty minutes it was impossible not to notice the [irelish[/i Warrington defenders showed toward hitting and hurting Wigan players. I'm sure Shaun Wane will criticize the commitment of some of his guys (and he's right to). But on the issue of recruitment he must take his share of the responsibility. All the "commitment" in the world is no match for one of two genuine "hard cases" whose job it is to make sure nothing happens to their teammates. Warrington, Saints and Leeds have their quota. But I'm really struggling to identify this Wigan pack's "enforcers". O'Loughlin and McIloram are the closest I suppose. But the former seems crocked this season and McIloram's veneer of invincibility has been peeling away for some time (Masoe was using him as a tooth-pick recently).

Credit where credit is due - Wigan's backs have single-handedly kept them near the top. As for Bowen, I can't believe people are so willing to point the finger of blame in his direction without ever mentioning the obvious catastrophe in the forwards. Personally I thought he was one of your better players last night.

Matty Bowen & MM were the ONLY players who stood up to wire tonight.