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Quote: jinkin jimmy "He's a Wigan lad? What difference does that make?'"


It shouldn't.
To be fair to Burgess I think it's a lack of concentration, but they have been expensive. I'll go back to my hobby horse, no reserve or U23 matches for the coaches to work with him to get his confidence back. It was one of the worst decisions the RFL/Super League ever made.

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Quote: Rogues Gallery "It shouldn't.
To be fair to Burgess I think it's a lack of concentration, but they have been expensive. I'll go back to my hobby horse, no reserve or U23 matches for the coaches to work with him to get his confidence back. It was one of the worst decisions the RFL/Super League ever made.'"

A decision fully endorsed by our owner I believe. However, re Burgess some wanted him shipped out to Workington before the season started. I wasn't one of them and wanted him included because, last season, he was clearly ahead of Manfredi. The fact is he is miles off that form atm and surely Manfredi is breathing down his neck now?

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Quote: Grimmy "I'll get shot down for saying it but I would leave Burgess in. He has made an error or two but is scoring consistently and had a good game last week bar one error (which was hardly a shocker anyway to be honest it was a horrible bounce which would have seen plenty other wingers conceed). The amount of stick he gets now is disgraceful, it's like some fans have totally forgotten he is a Wigan lad going out to do his best for our team. Don't buy this rubbish that his head is in Australia either. He already knew he was leaving last season when he played brilliantly. It's the fans attitude to him that has changed, not his attitude to the game. Hopefully IL will learn from this and keep us in the dark until the end of the season next time.'"


I agree. The problems we have faced aren't down to the form of Burgess but ill-discipline with us conceding around 15 penalties a game. Some players are giving away as many penalties in a game as some entire teams are doing. These players are the ones who need to buck up!

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Quote: DaveO "I agree. The problems we have faced aren't down to the form of Burgess but ill-discipline with us conceding around 15 penalties a game. Some players are giving away as many penalties in a game as some entire teams are doing. These players are the ones who need to buck up!'"

Bingo, I think we just found common ground DaveO, a rarity!

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Quote: DaveO "I agree. The problems we have faced aren't down to the form of Burgess but ill-discipline with us conceding around 15 penalties a game. Some players are giving away as many penalties in a game as some entire teams are doing. These players are the ones who need to buck up!'"



I just think that this lack of discipline comes down to what happens on the training field.

We have seen comments that the brutality in training has been taken up a notch since Wane took over from Madge, we have the video in NZ last year when Wane made the mistake of letting the cameras into the dressing room whilst he told the team to go out and batter and hurt the opposition .
Also Liam Farrell was told he wasn't aggressive enough, he has gone from being a free running second row who could do the 80 min to being a penalty machine.
Matty Smith and Josh Charnley have both been involved in petty petulance which in Mattys case lead to a ban and Josh as been involved in the same type of thing.

I just think that the players are encouraged to be so aggressive in training and if it carries on to the pre match talk from the coach they are so wound up they are waiting for it to kick off.
I just hope that IL has had a chat with Wane to calm it and we see the benefit tomorrow, because if we don't calm it, more and more teams will be waiting to wind Wigan up.

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Workington have taken Jamie Doran on a months loan and he is in their 19 man squad at London Broncos along with Joe Burgess; Logan Tomkins; Connor Farrell and Lewis Tierney on DR.

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Now Smith & Powell pairing at half-back with Williams on the bench. d040.gif

Good to see Greenwood making an appearance.

edit: Williams may be injured. Here was me thinking Wane had realised he's better as an interchange hooker.

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Aaaaand we are 8-0 down after 4 minutes.

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Quote: Wigg'n "Aaaaand we are 8-0 down after 4 minutes.'"



Great start 10 down..............

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16-0 down after 14 minutes.

Another try off the back of a Liam Farrell penalty.

Good to see they have learnt from last week.

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Charnley try. Smith couldn't convert. Need to shift the momentum in our favour.

16-4

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Is Farrell captain? Wtf....

ANOTHER penalty from him and Cas score again.

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Quote: Wigg'n "Is Farrell captain? Wtf....

ANOTHER penalty from him and Cas score again.'"


People may just realise that wane has taken us backwards as a team, there are some serious problems with wigan, yes some players are not good enough but neither is the coach

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Liam Farrell was told at the start of the season he needed to be an enforcer by Wane. He isn't one! He's just following the orders!

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Quote: Cbr1000rr "People may just realise that wane has taken us backwards as a team, there are some serious problems with wigan, yes some players are not good enough but neither is the coach'"



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