He wasn't but it showed you on Sky Hohaia going in with forearm on Flower but it still doesn't excuse what Flower did

At no point did I try to make an excuse. I said I could understand why he lost it. There is a massive difference between a reason and an excuse. Flower pushed Hohia after the kick. If you want to look at the first offence that was it. That doesn't excuse Hohia running over and elbowing Flower in the head. It doesn't excuse Flower from doing what he did.

Please explain how Hohia running in and elbowing Flower in the head is not rl a red card offence?

It's not worth going there.
Key point is Flowers sick attack on an unconsious man on the ground.
On civvy street he'd have been arrested.

Cannot see it. The first punch I can understand. It's the assault on a knocked out person on the floor there is no defence for. Completely shocked me. It's the most disgusting thing I have seen in a professional environment.

You'd get arrested for elbowing someone in the face as well. Flower hitting him on the ground was stupid and a disgrace but it probably saved a red for Hohia.

Flower had a great chance to score the first try but bombed it and I think that frustration played a part in him losing it and over reacting.

Not by any means an excuse just a possible reason

That defeat rests on the shoulders of Flower.

With him on the field, wigan win. Wigan were the better team a man down.

Disgraceful act.

LOL at flower and wigan.

At last, someone who understands the difference between a reason and an excuse. Barry Mac just got it spot on. He said I can understand why he reacted but it doesn't excuse what he did.

Nonsense. Hohia's was nothing he was never ever getting sent of for it.

What's your opinion on Flower attacking Hohaia's head which kicked the whole incedent off?

No, it rests on the head of Magilla for letting his players take the pitch in that frame of mind.

No one is making excuses for Flower. There are two distinct incidents here. After the first punch he should have left it. The first punch was a reaction to a player running twenty yards and putting two forearms into his face. Stupid reaction but understandable by even the most biased anti-Wiganer. Both players should have walked (or in one case have been carried), but as often happens the ref dealt with the issue comparatively. The second issue was the shot on the floor, that was disgraceful, and shows a failing in his character that needs to be addressed .
Flower should be punished harshly but fairly, even if that was to mean prosecution. However I would expect something like given to Terry Newton. To those hysterics peeing their pants, though, about stringing the lad up just look at yourselves and grow up. You see it every week amongst those who do not play, no longer play or have never played. If you have played at any level for any time you might well have "smiled" to see your enforcer doing something similar. You might even find yourselves judged by the same standards one day.
Ben Flower will be dragged over the coals, quite rightly, then he might learn something, and get back to doing what he is good at. In the meantime, in St Helens, there will be a lot of smug faces thinking about how someone took one for the team.
By the way Saints, well done, double winners and probably deserved for your efforts this season.

He's already done tht on the VT I dot think he's bothered about making himself look like a pratt.

Blame Shaun wane for his thug tactics, his players are just carrying out his orders in the dressing room.

Too pumped up, & frustration will have been major facts for his moment of madness, they are a different breed front rowers, who are under pressure to be horrible but on the right side of the rules. Defo sending off, you had chances to win the game, don't think Smith/Green took charge enough, maybe thought it would have been easier then it was with saints players all out of position, & no real playmakers.